Outstanding video that explains Sam Hinkie

[celticsclay]

Why do you feel the need to keep bringing this up?

Because Philly is a constant topic around here.  Someone starts a thread anytime they do anything.  It's one of the most interesting storylines in the NBA.  I'm fascinated with the team-building aspect of the league.  A lot of people (especially people here) still misunderstand what the Hinkie tenure was all about and what it accomplished.   It's a new video and does a good job of explaining it, so it was worth sharing.

Yes, thanks to you!  What's wrong, wife won't pay attention to you at home?  Well, don't worry, you get all the attention you crave right here at CB...

This thread is quieter than usual cause a number of posters have said they would block lb. I fear more people will block him with more videos shared like this and new threads created and I don't want that to happen because overall i think it makes the board worse.

[MBunge]

Why do you feel the need to keep bringing this up?

Because Philly is a constant topic around here.  Someone starts a thread anytime they do anything.  It's one of the most interesting storylines in the NBA.  I'm fascinated with the team-building aspect of the league.  A lot of people (especially people here) still misunderstand what the Hinkie tenure was all about and what it accomplished.   It's a new video and does a good job of explaining it, so it was worth sharing.

Yes, thanks to you!  What's wrong, wife won't pay attention to you at home?  Well, don't worry, you get all the attention you crave right here at CB...

This thread is quieter than usual cause a number of posters have said they would block lb. I fear more people will block him with more videos shared like this and new threads created and I don't want that to happen because overall i think it makes the board worse.

I don't block him but he's gone past the point where there is anything to be gained.  For a long time, when it still looked like things could come up roses for Hinkie and the Sixers, he would relentlessly defend them but he was more or less reality-based.  Now it's just nonsense.

Mike

[tazzmaniac]

Because Philly is a constant topic around here. 

Only because you keep making threads about them

Someone starts a thread anytime they do anything.

YOU start a thread anytime they do anything. 

It's one of the most interesting storylines in the NBA.  I'm fascinated with the team-building aspect of the league.

YOU'RE fascinated. Pretty much no one else is.
 

A lot of people (especially people here) still misunderstand what the Hinkie tenure was all about and what it accomplished.

I don't think it's hard to understand. They had multiple epic losing seasons. That's what they accomplished. 

It's a new video and does a good job of explaining it, so it was worth sharing.

It's an apologist video whose conclusions are both one-sided and illogical. There's more than one way to build a team and the Cs have proved that. Meanwhile the 76ers won 10 games last year and the Cs are widely considered to be about the 5th or 6th best team in the league.

The regular season is not the playoffs.  Until we make it to at least the ECF, I would not consider us one of the top teams.  Hopefully that happens this year. 

I think if you'd review the history of the posts, you'll see that a significant majority were started by Hinkie bashers not proponents.  In the Sixers 1st two tanks seasons, they only finished with the 3rd worst record.  Hinkie was smart to tank hard last season to ensure the best odds of getting Simmons.  The Sixers did lose a lot but I think they got two stars in Embiid (health concerns noted) and Simmons plus a solid player in Saric.  They've still got the Lakers pick (2017 or 2018) and the Kings (2019) to add to the talent Hinkie acquired for them.  Even if they don't get much for Noel and Okafor, Hinkie has done quite well for them. 

[tazzmaniac]

Why do you feel the need to keep bringing this up?

Because Philly is a constant topic around here.  Someone starts a thread anytime they do anything.  It's one of the most interesting storylines in the NBA.  I'm fascinated with the team-building aspect of the league.  A lot of people (especially people here) still misunderstand what the Hinkie tenure was all about and what it accomplished.   It's a new video and does a good job of explaining it, so it was worth sharing.

Yes, thanks to you!  What's wrong, wife won't pay attention to you at home?  Well, don't worry, you get all the attention you crave right here at CB...

This thread is quieter than usual cause a number of posters have said they would block lb. I fear more people will block him with more videos shared like this and new threads created and I don't want that to happen because overall i think it makes the board worse.

I don't block him but he's gone past the point where there is anything to be gained.  For a long time, when it still looked like things could come up roses for Hinkie and the Sixers, he would relentlessly defend them but he was more or less reality-based.  Now it's just nonsense.

Mike

With Embiid, Simmons and Saric, I think there is a strong likelihood that the Sixers will come up roses.  The Sixers fans sure think so.  If he stays healthy, Embiid is going to be a beast on both ends of the court.  He's also decided that he wants to be called "The Process" which is a hoot!!!

[LarBrd33]

Because Philly is a constant topic around here. 

Only because you keep making threads about them

YOU start a thread anytime they do anything.

YOU'RE fascinated. Pretty much no one else is.

heh

Why do you feel the need to keep bringing this up?

Because Philly is a constant topic around here. 

Yes, thanks to you!  What's wrong, wife won't pay attention to you at home?  Well, don't worry, you get all the attention you crave right here at CB...

Behold, a SMALL sampling of the many Philly-related topics started on this forum over the past couple months... how many of them were started by me?

Okafor thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87216.0 - Started by Eddie20

Simmons thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87168.0 - Started by Diggles

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87148.0 - started by BringToughnessBack

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=83433 - started by Csfan1984

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=82041 - started by jmen788

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87196 - started by texstyles

Noel thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87114.0 - started by VoxPopuli

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87039.0 - started by celticsclay

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=83767 - started by KGLivingLegend

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=81601 - started by KGLivingLegend

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85836 - started by Moranis

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=83786 - started by Eddie20

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=82949 - started by colincb

Hinkie thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=83792 - started by alleyoopster

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=81834 - started by celticsclay

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85114 - started by alewilliam789

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84767 - started by KG Living Legend

Philly thread http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87044.0 - started by KGLivingLegend

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87005.0 - started by jpotter33

76ers thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80842 - started by celticsclay

Noel thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=87023.0 - started by Rick Robey's Return

Okafor thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86845.0 - started by celticsclay

Saric thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86438.0 - started by Moranis

Noel thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86821.0 - started by Fireworks Boom

Noel thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86873.0 - started by arctic 3.0

Okafor thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86617.0 - started by boscel33

Embiid thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85457. - started by footey

Embiid thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85171 - started by meangreenmachine

Embiid thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80901 - started by coffee425

Embiid thread - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84725 - started by slightly biased bias fan


You people:  "OOOH MAHH GUUUUURD  !! LARRRBRD WILL NUT STUP TERKING BERT THE 76eRSSSsss!!!!"

That's just within the last couple months.  I could go on and find more... literally dozens and dozens of 76ers threads started on this forum by people other than me.  Just tons of them.  This forum is almost as obsessed with the 76ers as they are with the Celtics.   So I share a video that explains the Hinkie situation to this mass of ignorant Philly obsessives, and people go on the attack suggesting I'm looking for attention that my wife doesn't give me? 

Srsly?   I've seen some stupid **** on this forum, but this is right up there.

Sure, I might be one of the only voices defending Philly/Hinkie and their master plan (which still might work - a fact that is clearly ruffling some jimmies), but let's be honest here... I'm usually not the one starting these threads.  As long as you people want to keep starting threads about them, I'm willing to gift you my opinion on it. 

[celticsclay]

Is this thread just going to turn into another one that gets locked? Is this such a volatile topic we can't discuss it without getting into people's posting history and all that ?

I can see why some would see this thread and think it is isn't adding anything new (cause the video really isn't besides adding a few graphics to transaction history pages). That being said once it is posted just bashing LB makes the thread stay on the front page and then it devolves into nonsense. He is also right there are a lot of other posters  (myself included) that have discussed Philly at length given they are a division rival we have been loosely linked to trades in.

Also making comments about LB's wife and the amount of attention he receives is not called for at all.

[LarBrd33]

I think if you'd review the history of the posts, you'll see that a significant majority were started by Hinkie bashers not proponents.  In the Sixers 1st two tanks seasons, they only finished with the 3rd worst record.  Hinkie was smart to tank hard last season to ensure the best odds of getting Simmons.  The Sixers did lose a lot but I think they got two stars in Embiid (health concerns noted) and Simmons plus a solid player in Saric.  They've still got the Lakers pick (2017 or 2018) and the Kings (2019) to add to the talent Hinkie acquired for them.  Even if they don't get much for Noel and Okafor, Hinkie has done quite well for them.

With Embiid, Simmons and Saric, I think there is a strong likelihood that the Sixers will come up roses.  The Sixers fans sure think so.  If he stays healthy, Embiid is going to be a beast on both ends of the court.  He's also decided that he wants to be called "The Process" which is a hoot!!!

TP to tazz for being someone who actually pays attention.   There's dozens of threads on this forum about Philly... either gossip about their perceived failure or trade ideas from Celtic fans who want to snag one of their valued bigs.   People are obviously very interested in the team here... and I make no apologies for giving them my perspective on a topic they can't stop talking about. 

[tazzmaniac]

I still don't really understand the Hinkie ousting. Aren't hte Sixers exactly where they were supposed to be in the process? They've got a bunch of young prospects and a ton of picks left to use. What did Hinkie not do that anyone thought he would?

thats the one thing the video kind of glosses over.  Technically, he wasn't fired.  He stepped down.   There was a lot of exterior pressure and the team had hired the elder colangelo.   The team seemed to be moving forward and hinkie seemed to be losing power.  I think he realized his presence had become a problem in dealing with other teams, agents, etc.   Hinkie became the scapegoat and him stepping down quieted the rabble rousers so the team could finish out the tank job in peace.

Little more nuanced than that. He had rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and lacked people skills. Agents and other gms did not want to deal with him. A player found out he was cut while on the team bus. It was viewed as a mistake that he didn't have a single veteran around that was playing for the first half of the last season when Okafor was being a young knucklehead with no guidance. It was viewed as a mistake that he cut away Ish Smith when he was actually making a player like Noel look better. They were all small things collectively but together they led to him getting fired. Also, I think anyone that follows sports knows the "resigning" stuff is just a polite way of being fired. They had had enough of Hinkie and I believe went out of their way to sabotage him on the way out. Didn't they leak what was supposed to be an internal document as a means of embarassing him?

Anyways dude is hanging out at starbucks now and if he had just done a few small things differently he would still have a prestigious job. This is why people say Hinkie died for our sins.

Edit: Some, particularly some 76ers fan, feel like the Okafor pick was a big mistake.

For not wanting to deal with him, the GMs certainly traded with him a lot or more accurately were on the losing end of trades with him.  These are the same GMs that don't want to deal with Ainge.  The Colangelos were supposed to use their know how and contacts to make things better.  They couldn't get anything substantial done in free agency and they haven't been able to trade Okafor or Noel for a reasonable return.  Sure a few agents complained about the Hinkie special contracts but they should have been happy because their d-league clients got a real shot to prove themselves. 

Hinkie lost his job because Josh Harris, the Sixers owner, got cold feet.  I think Harris could have handled the losing a bit longer but the Okafor incidents made it look like the organization was out of control.  When Harris brought in the elder Colangelo as an advisor, it was just a matter of time before he weaseled his son into the GM position.  Hinkie's biggest mistake was not being proactive with the media.  He didn't do anything to counter the negative narrative the media was pushing.  His 2nd biggest mistake taking MCW over the Greek Freak when his goal was to tank for a star. 

The Okafor pick is perfectly understandable.  The Sixers wanted Russell but the Lakers took him.  Porzingis was perceived as a project with a lot of potential not some sure thing.  To some not even that (remember all the boos from the Knicks fans).  If Embiid hadn't suffered the reinjury, maybe Hinkie would have chanced taking Porzingis.  As it was, Okafor was the safe, solid pick and he still does have some star potential if he can develop into an average defender. 

[celticsclay]

I still don't really understand the Hinkie ousting. Aren't hte Sixers exactly where they were supposed to be in the process? They've got a bunch of young prospects and a ton of picks left to use. What did Hinkie not do that anyone thought he would?

thats the one thing the video kind of glosses over.  Technically, he wasn't fired.  He stepped down.   There was a lot of exterior pressure and the team had hired the elder colangelo.   The team seemed to be moving forward and hinkie seemed to be losing power.  I think he realized his presence had become a problem in dealing with other teams, agents, etc.   Hinkie became the scapegoat and him stepping down quieted the rabble rousers so the team could finish out the tank job in peace.

Little more nuanced than that. He had rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and lacked people skills. Agents and other gms did not want to deal with him. A player found out he was cut while on the team bus. It was viewed as a mistake that he didn't have a single veteran around that was playing for the first half of the last season when Okafor was being a young knucklehead with no guidance. It was viewed as a mistake that he cut away Ish Smith when he was actually making a player like Noel look better. They were all small things collectively but together they led to him getting fired. Also, I think anyone that follows sports knows the "resigning" stuff is just a polite way of being fired. They had had enough of Hinkie and I believe went out of their way to sabotage him on the way out. Didn't they leak what was supposed to be an internal document as a means of embarassing him?

Anyways dude is hanging out at starbucks now and if he had just done a few small things differently he would still have a prestigious job. This is why people say Hinkie died for our sins.

Edit: Some, particularly some 76ers fan, feel like the Okafor pick was a big mistake.

For not wanting to deal with him, the GMs certainly traded with him a lot or more accurately were on the losing end of trades with him.  These are the same GMs that don't want to deal with Ainge.  The Colangelos were supposed to use their know how and contacts to make things better.  They couldn't get anything substantial done in free agency and they haven't been able to trade Okafor or Noel for a reasonable return.  Sure a few agents complained about the Hinkie special contracts but they should have been happy because their d-league clients got a real shot to prove themselves. 

Hinkie lost his job because Josh Harris, the Sixers owner, got cold feet.  I think Harris could have handled the losing a bit longer but the Okafor incidents made it look like the organization was out of control. When Harris brought in the elder Colangelo as an advisor, it was just a matter of time before he weaseled his son into the GM position.  Hinkie's biggest mistake was not being proactive with the media.  He didn't do anything to counter the negative narrative the media was pushing.  His 2nd biggest mistake taking MCW over the Greek Freak when his goal was to tank for a star. 

The Okafor pick is perfectly understandable.  The Sixers wanted Russell but the Lakers took him.  Porzingis was perceived as a project with a lot of potential not some sure thing.  To some not even that (remember all the boos from the Knicks fans).  If Embiid hadn't suffered the reinjury, maybe Hinkie would have chanced taking Porzingis.  As it was, Okafor was the safe, solid pick and he still does have some star potential if he can develop into an average defender.

That is what is funny/tragic about it. He really got fired about all the small stuff that is irrelevant in the big scheme of things. If he had just brought in Elton Brand a year earlier people couldn't make the argument that their young guys were out of control because there was no vets around. If he had just kept Ish Smith to begin with Noel probably would have looked better all along and maybe he is even already traded. Those minor moves wouldn't have prevented the 76ers from being terrible or winning the lottery. However, he was stubborn to a fault and it let this mutiny to form around him. I think the fact that he was railroaded on the way out with the leaking of documents shows you he was rubbing people the wrong way and that was ultimately did him in.

None of this is new though and it seems like this will just have the same argument we have had a million times on this board rehashing things because the video just rehashes thing and doesn't add anything new. 

[LarBrd33]

I still don't really understand the Hinkie ousting. Aren't hte Sixers exactly where they were supposed to be in the process? They've got a bunch of young prospects and a ton of picks left to use. What did Hinkie not do that anyone thought he would?

thats the one thing the video kind of glosses over.  Technically, he wasn't fired.  He stepped down.   There was a lot of exterior pressure and the team had hired the elder colangelo.   The team seemed to be moving forward and hinkie seemed to be losing power.  I think he realized his presence had become a problem in dealing with other teams, agents, etc.   Hinkie became the scapegoat and him stepping down quieted the rabble rousers so the team could finish out the tank job in peace.

Little more nuanced than that. He had rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and lacked people skills. Agents and other gms did not want to deal with him. A player found out he was cut while on the team bus. It was viewed as a mistake that he didn't have a single veteran around that was playing for the first half of the last season when Okafor was being a young knucklehead with no guidance. It was viewed as a mistake that he cut away Ish Smith when he was actually making a player like Noel look better. They were all small things collectively but together they led to him getting fired. Also, I think anyone that follows sports knows the "resigning" stuff is just a polite way of being fired. They had had enough of Hinkie and I believe went out of their way to sabotage him on the way out. Didn't they leak what was supposed to be an internal document as a means of embarassing him?

Anyways dude is hanging out at starbucks now and if he had just done a few small things differently he would still have a prestigious job. This is why people say Hinkie died for our sins.

Edit: Some, particularly some 76ers fan, feel like the Okafor pick was a big mistake.

For not wanting to deal with him, the GMs certainly traded with him a lot or more accurately were on the losing end of trades with him.  These are the same GMs that don't want to deal with Ainge.  The Colangelos were supposed to use their know how and contacts to make things better.  They couldn't get anything substantial done in free agency and they haven't been able to trade Okafor or Noel for a reasonable return.  Sure a few agents complained about the Hinkie special contracts but they should have been happy because their d-league clients got a real shot to prove themselves. 

Hinkie lost his job because Josh Harris, the Sixers owner, got cold feet.  I think Harris could have handled the losing a bit longer but the Okafor incidents made it look like the organization was out of control. When Harris brought in the elder Colangelo as an advisor, it was just a matter of time before he weaseled his son into the GM position.  Hinkie's biggest mistake was not being proactive with the media.  He didn't do anything to counter the negative narrative the media was pushing.  His 2nd biggest mistake taking MCW over the Greek Freak when his goal was to tank for a star. 

The Okafor pick is perfectly understandable.  The Sixers wanted Russell but the Lakers took him.  Porzingis was perceived as a project with a lot of potential not some sure thing.  To some not even that (remember all the boos from the Knicks fans).  If Embiid hadn't suffered the reinjury, maybe Hinkie would have chanced taking Porzingis.  As it was, Okafor was the safe, solid pick and he still does have some star potential if he can develop into an average defender.

That is what is funny/tragic about it. He really got fired about all the small stuff that is irrelevant in the big scheme of things. If he had just brought in Elton Brand a year earlier people couldn't make the argument that their young guys were out of control because there was no vets around. If he had just kept Ish Smith to begin with Noel probably would have looked better all along and maybe he is even already traded. Those minor moves wouldn't have prevented the 76ers from being terrible or winning the lottery. However, he was stubborn to a fault and it let this mutiny to form around him. I think the fact that he was railroaded on the way out with the leaking of documents shows you he was rubbing people the wrong way and that was ultimately did him in.

None of this is new though and it seems like this will just have the same argument we have had a million times on this board rehashing things because the video just rehashes thing and doesn't add anything new.

The circumstances surrounding HInkie's departure are less interesting to me.   He burned a lot of bridges, supposedly and there was external pressure on ownership.  Bringing in Colangelo might have upset Hinkie because it suggested he now had to share power.  So he backed down.  Ownership wasn't going to fight it, because removing HInkie at least created the perception that the team was shifting strategies.  It could have impacted their dealings with agents this Summer.  It certainly quieted the backlash.  But note that Philly did nothing to really stop the bleeding after Hinkie stepped down.  They tanked good and proper just like they should have.   And with Simmons going down for maybe the whole season, don't hold your breathe on them immediately getting rid of intriguing prospects for average role players.

 What I think the average fan doesn't necessarily understand, and what this video does a good job explaining, is that Hinkie's method was completely defensible and he might have actually done a really good job there.  With time, everything may indeed come up roses for Philly as a result.   We will not know for several years.  But for folks who maybe don't have a full grasp of the Hinkie situation and just think he's some dummy who blew up a proud team and made them suffer with no reward - that video is a must-watch.

[tazzmaniac]

Is this thread just going to turn into another one that gets locked? Is this such a volatile topic we can't discuss it without getting into people's posting history and all that ?

I can see why some would see this thread and think it is isn't adding anything new (cause the video really isn't besides adding a few graphics to transaction history pages). That being said once it is posted just bashing LB makes the thread stay on the front page and then it devolves into nonsense. He is also right there are a lot of other posters  (myself included) that have discussed Philly at length given they are a division rival we have been loosely linked to trades in.

Also making comments about LB's wife and the amount of attention he receives is not called for at all.

I would hope not.  Discussing the various rebuilds and how they're progressing is fun.  The Bucks were the hot rebuild a couple years ago but now they've seemed to stall out.  Now the hot rebuild is the TWolves.  Will Thibs get them playing good defense and get them to the next level or will they stall out too?  The Sixers are the controversial rebuild which could go in a number of directions.  Then we are more retool than rebuild.  Can we get the star we need (Cousins, Blake, ...) to put us over the top?   And lets not forget the Lakers.   Personally I hope the TWolves, Sixers, Lakers and us all get there.  Plenty of exciting young players to watch.  Plus there is nothing better than beating the Lakers for the Championship. 

[tazzmaniac]

I still don't really understand the Hinkie ousting. Aren't hte Sixers exactly where they were supposed to be in the process? They've got a bunch of young prospects and a ton of picks left to use. What did Hinkie not do that anyone thought he would?

thats the one thing the video kind of glosses over.  Technically, he wasn't fired.  He stepped down.   There was a lot of exterior pressure and the team had hired the elder colangelo.   The team seemed to be moving forward and hinkie seemed to be losing power.  I think he realized his presence had become a problem in dealing with other teams, agents, etc.   Hinkie became the scapegoat and him stepping down quieted the rabble rousers so the team could finish out the tank job in peace.

Little more nuanced than that. He had rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and lacked people skills. Agents and other gms did not want to deal with him. A player found out he was cut while on the team bus. It was viewed as a mistake that he didn't have a single veteran around that was playing for the first half of the last season when Okafor was being a young knucklehead with no guidance. It was viewed as a mistake that he cut away Ish Smith when he was actually making a player like Noel look better. They were all small things collectively but together they led to him getting fired. Also, I think anyone that follows sports knows the "resigning" stuff is just a polite way of being fired. They had had enough of Hinkie and I believe went out of their way to sabotage him on the way out. Didn't they leak what was supposed to be an internal document as a means of embarassing him?

Anyways dude is hanging out at starbucks now and if he had just done a few small things differently he would still have a prestigious job. This is why people say Hinkie died for our sins.

Edit: Some, particularly some 76ers fan, feel like the Okafor pick was a big mistake.

For not wanting to deal with him, the GMs certainly traded with him a lot or more accurately were on the losing end of trades with him.  These are the same GMs that don't want to deal with Ainge.  The Colangelos were supposed to use their know how and contacts to make things better.  They couldn't get anything substantial done in free agency and they haven't been able to trade Okafor or Noel for a reasonable return.  Sure a few agents complained about the Hinkie special contracts but they should have been happy because their d-league clients got a real shot to prove themselves. 

Hinkie lost his job because Josh Harris, the Sixers owner, got cold feet.  I think Harris could have handled the losing a bit longer but the Okafor incidents made it look like the organization was out of control. When Harris brought in the elder Colangelo as an advisor, it was just a matter of time before he weaseled his son into the GM position.  Hinkie's biggest mistake was not being proactive with the media.  He didn't do anything to counter the negative narrative the media was pushing.  His 2nd biggest mistake taking MCW over the Greek Freak when his goal was to tank for a star. 

The Okafor pick is perfectly understandable.  The Sixers wanted Russell but the Lakers took him.  Porzingis was perceived as a project with a lot of potential not some sure thing.  To some not even that (remember all the boos from the Knicks fans).  If Embiid hadn't suffered the reinjury, maybe Hinkie would have chanced taking Porzingis.  As it was, Okafor was the safe, solid pick and he still does have some star potential if he can develop into an average defender.

That is what is funny/tragic about it. He really got fired about all the small stuff that is irrelevant in the big scheme of things. If he had just brought in Elton Brand a year earlier people couldn't make the argument that their young guys were out of control because there was no vets around. If he had just kept Ish Smith to begin with Noel probably would have looked better all along and maybe he is even already traded. Those minor moves wouldn't have prevented the 76ers from being terrible or winning the lottery. However, he was stubborn to a fault and it let this mutiny to form around him. I think the fact that he was railroaded on the way out with the leaking of documents shows you he was rubbing people the wrong way and that was ultimately did him in.

None of this is new though and it seems like this will just have the same argument we have had a million times on this board rehashing things because the video just rehashes thing and doesn't add anything new.

I wouldn't consider dealing with the media small stuff.  If he brought a couple influential media talking heads into the process and got them putting out his positive spin to counterbalance the negative he'd probably still be there.  Getting Simmons would have gotten him a lot of goodwill as would the very early good play of Embiid and Saric.  Bringing in Brand earlier would have been good to teach their bigs.  However getting rid of Ish Smith was instrumental in ensuring they'd get the worst record and best odds at Simmons.  Remember they went on a winning streak right after they got Smith back last year.  God awful PG play is one of the best ways to ensure a tank is successful.   

[LarBrd33]

Good points tazz

[celticsclay]

Good points tazz

I agree with all of this also

[CroCorvus]

Not gonna read all posts sorry but reflect to the subject and the youtube video. Still don't understand the fascination with Hinkie. He's done nothing that hasn't been done before him (unlike Danny who it seem every year sets new standard in GM-ing and still gets plenty of hate even around here...) and still people keep talking about him. He doesn't know mouch about basketball and he admit it (that he watches basketball to learn whats beyond numbers). I have watched first 36 seconds of your video and it tells you all. People easily forget how bad all GM's and whole Sixers organisation was before him and now all of a sudden, the same people are glorifying him for doing something rational!? That being said, I think that's the main problem with all this is that you using very bad reference ratios when you comparing what hes done in Philly. Compare him to what Presti has done in Sea/Okc, RJ in Sas, Danny in Bos... and you get the real picture. Now, Sixers have no franchise (or we can use starting) PG, no starting SG, they have three starting centers with two of them to prove they can stay healthy, plus they gonna have to sell two of them on the cheap, they have Saric who is a good player, they have Simmons who is so overhyped already and didn't even played yet (now he's out for the year to)... I mean c'mon guys they are miles and miles from being a solid team... time will tell what current players will become but for now please stop this Hinkie nonsense...