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Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« on: September 08, 2016, 12:21:39 PM »

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642771-nerlens-noel-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-76ers-star

Not really news to most of us here, but there are some here who still hold that the Sixers don't have to move anybody. Woj is reporting that the Sixers are very aware that Noel and Okafor are basically unplayable together, so their plan is to move one of them "eventually," which seems to read as soon as they can get a deal that isn't merely pennies on the dollar for either one of them.

It's pretty evident that they won't get anywhere near full value for either of them; otherwise, they'd assuredly be traded by now. So much for Hinkie's draft strategy to forego fit/position and just *always* take the best player available, even if you have two franchise players at that position already.

Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 01:07:42 PM »

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I wonder if them bringing back Elton brand yesterday revived the speculation.

Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 01:08:38 PM »

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Hopefully we get one of them.

I think the 76ers will trade one when someone makes them what they consider a good offer. 

People think this means they will eventually trade one for a late 1st.  There's really no point to Philly doing that.  If that was really the best offer, they are better off making no move at all.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 01:26:00 PM »

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I've always been suspicious about the strategy of drafting the best player available. I know many GM's and coaches "say" that's how they draft, but this is an example where it didn't work.

When trading partners realize you "need" to trade a position player because you're too deep at that position, the value of the player reduces, as we're seeing in this situation.

It's obvious that GM's around the league know the 76er need to trade one of the many young center they've collected, and are taking advantage of the situation. 

Kind of similar to collecting too many future draft picks.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 01:53:15 PM »

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I don't see their problem with too many bigs as any worse than our "problem" with too many point guards or wings.

I think Philly might be making a mistake. The problem comes in paying all the talent. Not in having it

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 02:09:37 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 02:35:43 PM »

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642771-nerlens-noel-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-76ers-star

Not really news to most of us here, but there are some here who still hold that the Sixers don't have to move anybody. Woj is reporting that the Sixers are very aware that Noel and Okafor are basically unplayable together, so their plan is to move one of them "eventually," which seems to read as soon as they can get a deal that isn't merely pennies on the dollar for either one of them.

It's pretty evident that they won't get anywhere near full value for either of them; otherwise, they'd assuredly be traded by now. So much for Hinkie's draft strategy to forego fit/position and just *always* take the best player available, even if you have two franchise players at that position already.

On what planet is Nerlens Noel currently considered a star (as in the title of this article)?

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 02:40:08 PM »

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Glad the Noel obsessed have a bit more rumor bait to chomp on.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642771-nerlens-noel-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-76ers-star

Not really news to most of us here, but there are some here who still hold that the Sixers don't have to move anybody. Woj is reporting that the Sixers are very aware that Noel and Okafor are basically unplayable together, so their plan is to move one of them "eventually," which seems to read as soon as they can get a deal that isn't merely pennies on the dollar for either one of them.

It's pretty evident that they won't get anywhere near full value for either of them; otherwise, they'd assuredly be traded by now. So much for Hinkie's draft strategy to forego fit/position and just *always* take the best player available, even if you have two franchise players at that position already.

On what planet is Nerlens Noel currently considered a star (as in the title of this article)?

The NBA has become the WWE I guess.
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Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 02:41:51 PM »

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I really think the Embiid set back last summer really hurt the Sixers.  I don't think they were really planning on tanking last year and I don't think they would have taken Okafor if Embiid was healthy.  I also don't think Porzingis made much sense either so I think if they couldn't trade the pick they would have gone with Mudiay (they really wanted Russell, but the Lakers ruined that one).  But when Embiid went down again, Okafor became a fairly logical pick because at the time I think they believed Noel and Okafor would have been ok together (maybe not a great fit, but not the terrible fit they ended up being) and because they didn't know if Embiid was ever going to play. 
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Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 02:52:56 PM »

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I've always been suspicious about the strategy of drafting the best player available. I know many GM's and coaches "say" that's how they draft, but this is an example where it didn't work.

When trading partners realize you "need" to trade a position player because you're too deep at that position, the value of the player reduces, as we're seeing in this situation.

It's obvious that GM's around the league know the 76er need to trade one of the many young center they've collected, and are taking advantage of the situation. 

Kind of similar to collecting too many future draft picks.
That certainly seems to be the narrative, but last I checked Okafor and Noel were both on the 76ers... so teams don't seem to be taking advantage of the situation very well.

Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 03:04:15 PM »

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642771-nerlens-noel-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-76ers-star

Not really news to most of us here, but there are some here who still hold that the Sixers don't have to move anybody. Woj is reporting that the Sixers are very aware that Noel and Okafor are basically unplayable together, so their plan is to move one of them "eventually," which seems to read as soon as they can get a deal that isn't merely pennies on the dollar for either one of them.

It's pretty evident that they won't get anywhere near full value for either of them; otherwise, they'd assuredly be traded by now. So much for Hinkie's draft strategy to forego fit/position and just *always* take the best player available, even if you have two franchise players at that position already.

By "eventually", I hope they mean before the trade deadline, because if they resign Noel for big money next summer he'd likely become much, much harder to deal (although the added years would help).  It seems like they'll either make a deal involving one of them before the deadline, or let Noel go next summer
I'm bitter.

Re: Woj: Sixers plan on moving one of Noel or Okafor "eventually"
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 03:04:56 PM »

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I've always been suspicious about the strategy of drafting the best player available. I know many GM's and coaches "say" that's how they draft, but this is an example where it didn't work.

When trading partners realize you "need" to trade a position player because you're too deep at that position, the value of the player reduces, as we're seeing in this situation.

It's obvious that GM's around the league know the 76er need to trade one of the many young center they've collected, and are taking advantage of the situation. 

Kind of similar to collecting too many future draft picks.
That certainly seems to be the narrative, but last I checked Okafor and Noel were both on the 76ers... so teams don't seem to be taking advantage of the situation very well.

The longer they are on there there worse it becomes for the 76ers. Surelyyou can admit that? We already had Noel saying he would "welcome a trade" plus that great picture you uncovered about him wanting to be traded to boston. How long is it it until he demands a trade? Players that have demanded a trade almost never get close to a fair offer in return. The 76ers are staring down the league right now hoping that just one team will blink and give them an ok deal. Sadly for them it hasn't happened yet. I wonder if the teams are colluding together to screw over the 76ers in response to their long period of tanking.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 03:14:28 PM »

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I've always been suspicious about the strategy of drafting the best player available. I know many GM's and coaches "say" that's how they draft, but this is an example where it didn't work.

When trading partners realize you "need" to trade a position player because you're too deep at that position, the value of the player reduces, as we're seeing in this situation.

It's obvious that GM's around the league know the 76er need to trade one of the many young center they've collected, and are taking advantage of the situation. 

Kind of similar to collecting too many future draft picks.
That certainly seems to be the narrative, but last I checked Okafor and Noel were both on the 76ers... so teams don't seem to be taking advantage of the situation very well.

The longer they are on there there worse it becomes for the 76ers. Surelyyou can admit that? We already had Noel saying he would "welcome a trade" plus that great picture you uncovered about him wanting to be traded to boston. How long is it it until he demands a trade? Players that have demanded a trade almost never get close to a fair offer in return. The 76ers are staring down the league right now hoping that just one team will blink and give them an ok deal. Sadly for them it hasn't happened yet. I wonder if the teams are colluding together to screw over the 76ers in response to their long period of tanking.


I agree, the 76er aren't getting a satisfactory return, in their eyes, for these high draft picks. The reason for this IMO is everyone knows they can't play them all, and they just can't let them sit on the bench, and wait for trade demands. The "rock and a hard place" comes to mind.

The colluding theory may have weight too.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2016, 03:29:15 PM »

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I don't think drafting best player available is the problem here. The fact is both players have significant question marks that have little to do with their current team or each other. I just don't think their value is that high. Meanwhile Philly invested a lot in them and want as much in return as possible.

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The main problem is that Okafor is trash and it seems like a lot of teams are able to realize that, so they can't trade Okafor as easily as they wish.  Their best bet might be to wait until the next draft and move Okafor to a team that missed out on one of their intended big man targets, then re-sign Noel.  I think they'd be better off making Okafor come off the bench in a reduced role rather than trading him for the sake of trading him at the trade deadline if it means accepting a paltry return.
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