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Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« on: February 15, 2016, 02:56:18 PM »

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Shocker. I expect Hinkie to be jettisoned sometime in the next year myself. The writer is not a Hinkiephile obviously, but JC's promise to hire an experienced mind is a clear shot across Hinkie's bow. I still think JC's son Bryan Colangelo is a logical replacement if he doesn't get hired by the Nets:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160215_Colangelo_hints_shrinking_role_for_Hinkie.html#3LAG0hZ4AbBPwEr7.99

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IF ANY HINKIEBOTS remain, Jerry Colangelo's proclamations at NBA All-Star Weekend must have shaken their world like an Aaron Gordon dunk.

Colangelo announced that he expects to hire an experienced "basketball mind" to create "the strongest front office in the league."

. . . Because the front office Sam Hinkie created is not even close.

Colangelo, who is 76, said he intends for the Sixers to be a dangerous playoff team within three years, when his contract expires.

. . . Because hoarding draft picks, losing on purpose and spending no money is a criminally flawed methodology.

 
For the Sons of Sam who remain true to the cult, a translation might be in order.

This is Colangelo, a Hall of Fame executive, serving definitive notice that Hinkie's amorphous "process" has been abandoned. When owner Josh Harris cleaned house in 2013, he hired Hinkie, a 35-year-old analytics whiz from the Houston Rockets, to rebuild. Hinkie not only had never been a general manager, but he had never worked with a GM who had a solid basketball background. Hinkie's plan: accumulate "assets" in the form of young players and draft picks, clear cap space and grow a product that, at a point undefined, would contend for a title. Hinkie's product: a dysfunctional team whose talent and performance was the worst in NBA history.

This is Colangelo, a four-time executive of the year, declaring that no asset is sacred: not this year's overvalued, protected first-round picks from the Lakers, Heat and Thunder; not Dario Saric, the European unicorn on whom Hinkie spent a first-round pick two years ago.

This is Colangelo, an NBA giant, letting everyone know that, despite Hinkie's assertions in the Inquirer 12 days ago, Hinkie is not Colangelo's peer. He is a subordinate whose job is under review.

Don't undervalue the timing of Colangelo's statement. Colangelo broke into the NBA as a PR man for the Bulls, built the Suns from their inception and helped create modern-day spin.

Hinkie flexed a little bit.

Colangelo flexed back.

And don't forget: Harris hired Colangelo in December because Hinkie had been derelict in his duties.

Colangelo came aboard right after franchise center Jahlil Okafor took part in two street fights in Boston during a road trip, the culmination of a series of untoward incidents in Okafor's rookie season.

Colangelo quickly discovered that Hinkie, a bright, young analytics expert with a gift for making trades, had constructed a franchise with plenty of draft picks and lots of financial leverage. However, the team lacked the sort of veteran leadership and guidance that keeps rookies out of street fights in Boston.

Colangelo also discovered that Hinkie evaded accountability, usually leaving coach Brett Brown to clean up the messes Hinkie made.

Colangelo quickly reacquired point guard Ish Smith, whom Hinkie spurned in the offseason despite Smith's remarkable synergy last season with big man Nerlens Noel. Colangelo soon added center Elton Brand to mentor Noel and Okafor. Colangelo also snagged former Suns coach Mike D'Antoni, a respected basketball mind, to provide stability to Brown's undecorated bench.

To what end? Perhaps to Hinkie's end.

Hide the barbiturates and the Kool-Aid.

Consider the circumstances.

Colangelo has been on the job for about two months. That has given him plenty of time to examine the operation Hinkie constructed over 2 1/2 seasons: scouting, evaluation, medical staff, support staff, coaching staff, the works. Colangelo knows the outsized value Hinkie & Co. place on the different tiers of draft picks, and Colangelo has seen the disdain Hinkie has for midlevel veteran talent.

Consider, also, that Colangelo just represented the Sixers at the NBA's most high-profile convention - a convention at which the Sixers were utterly irrelevant. The only player in Colangelo's system who might sniff the All-Star Game within three years is Okafor, who also is the Sixers' most likely trade asset.

Finally, the Sixers' historic ability to lose games has made them a national punch line.

This must have been a humiliating weekend for a man like Colangelo, who essentially created the sports scene in Phoenix and who revived USA Basketball.

All-Star Weekend also gave Colangelo his first chance to gauge Hinkie's profile, leaguewide, during informal, organic conversations. Since his arrival in Philadelphia, Hinkie has been cast as a dismissive, difficult negotiator.

It doesn't sound like Colangelo liked what he heard.

What will it mean?

Perhaps it means trading draft picks in a one-team or multiteam deal by the deadline Thursday that lands the Sixers a player like Hawks point guard Jeff Teague. He is owed a modest $8 million this season and next. Even if Teague is not the long-term answer, he would be a monumental upgrade over Smith, a career backup who was a monumental upgrade over Hinkie's four-man joke of a point-guard rotation.

Colangelo already has contacted the Hawks about their point guards, according to several reports. Why? Because NBA talents like Okafor, Noel and Jerami Grant only blossom when a team is run by a competent point guard.

For now, that trio of players forms the nucleus around which Colangelo hopes to build a playoff contender, sooner than later.

For now, Hinkie will be part of any conversation concerning improving the team's personnel.
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Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2016, 02:59:02 PM »

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Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2016, 03:00:31 PM »

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More fuel for the fire:

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=368731511


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by Keith Pompey, STAFF WRITER.

TORONTO - There was a time, not too long ago, when the 76ers never talked openly about their time line to become competitive.

Those days are over.

"I'd like to see us very competitive in three years. . . . That means not just making the playoffs," said Jerry Colangelo, who was hired as chairman of basketball operations in December.

Being competitive by that time no longer seems far-fetched for the Sixers (8-45) since Colangelo was hired. The Hall of Famer instantly brought credibility back to the franchise when he agreed to a three-year contract to run the team.

Before his hiring, the Sixers were not a desired destination for free agents. There were even some draft prospects who refused to work out for the team. Word around the league was that very few players would want to come to Philadelphia until the team hired a well-respected basketball mind.

In Colangelo, they now have one of the best. The four-time executive of the year has a solid relationship with agents and is widely respected in basketball circles.

His reputation and status, combined with plenty of salary-cap space, should help the Sixers attract some solid free agents this summer. There's also a chance that they could have as many as four first-round picks in the NBA draft in June. The Sixers could use those picks to draft players, move up in the draft, or make a trade.

The draft picks are their own, the Los Angeles Lakers' top-three-protected pick, the Miami Heat's top-10-protected pick, and the Oklahoma City Thunder's top-15-protected pick.

"I would hope that the Sixers are in a lot better shape than what they were from the time I started," Colangelo said of when his contract expires. "That only means if I can help contribute to an improvement of the franchise. That's why I'm there."

He's already made drastic improvements, hiring Mike D'Antoni as the associate head coach and trading for point guard Ish Smith.

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Don't worry, the Hinkie disciples will spin it as "this is all speculation".


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Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2016, 03:14:19 PM »

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TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted that hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it. 


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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2016, 03:24:23 PM »

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This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully. 

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 03:24:23 PM »

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TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted than hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

Why did they need to hire Colangelo if Hinkie did such a wonderful job in the first place?  You're not still clinging to your laughable suggestion that Colangelo, one of the most respected men in the game, signed on to be nothing more than Hinkie's beard?

I know you love this contrarianism stuff but if you actually think Hinkie's plan included the step "After 3 years of the worst basketball ever seen, have the owners hire a much more experience and famous person to fool everyone into thinking I'm not still in charge, even though I totes mcgotes still am," you've officially gone off the deep end.

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 03:26:02 PM »

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The ProcessTM is dead. Long live the ProcessTM
This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

If you're three years into a rebuild and the whole future of your franchise is still hinging on the draft lottery, that is almost the definition of "non-phenomenal."

Mike

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 03:26:26 PM »

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TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted than hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

Why did they need to hire Colangelo if Hinkie did such a wonderful job in the first place?
Hinkie was brought in to collect assets and set the team up to tank.  That's literally what he was hired to do.   Can't hurt to have a guy like Colangelo there to help the team take the next step.   Also, it placated the rabblerousers and created the perception that there was a new regime... it will help when free agency rolls around.


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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2016, 03:27:27 PM »

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The ProcessTM is dead. Long live the ProcessTM
This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

If you're three years into a rebuild and the whole future of your franchise is still hinging on the draft lottery, that is almost the definition of "non-phenomenal."

Mike
Mike still don't get it, eh?  That team is stacked with assets.   It'll be an interesting Summer.   If they are a playoff team within the next 2 years, are you going to credit Colangelo?  Lol

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2016, 03:34:59 PM »

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Hinkie's failure to have the team remain respectable among the media and players in the league is a problem for building a winning team going forward with all their assets.


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Hinkie's failure to have the team remain respectable among the media and players in the league is a problem for building a winning team going forward with all their assets.

Even worse is Hinkie's relationships with agents and other teams.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2016, 03:54:50 PM »

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Hinkie's failure to have the team remain respectable among the media and players in the league is a problem for building a winning team going forward with all their assets.

Even worse is Hinkie's relationships with agents and other teams.
Yeah should have included them, two big factors in this all.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2016, 03:56:30 PM »

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This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

If you're three years into a rebuild and the whole future of your franchise is still hinging on the draft lottery, that is almost the definition of "non-phenomenal."

Mike
Mike still don't get it, eh?  That team is stacked with assets.   It'll be an interesting Summer.   If they are a playoff team within the next 2 years, are you going to credit Colangelo?  Lol

You don't seem to understand that Colangelo was brought in for a reason and it wasn't because Hinkie did a bang up job.

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2016, 03:57:47 PM »

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Hinkie's failure to have the team remain respectable among the media and players in the league is a problem for building a winning team going forward with all their assets.
Yeh but it's coo now, because Colangelo is there. 

Lol

To be clear, I'm not a fan of the 76ers.  I hope they fail.   I also don't give a crap about Hinkie.  I didn't even know Hinkie's name until people here started posting threads about him. I've read articles within the past few months that have made it clear that this "plan" came from the ownership group.  Hinkie was just hired to execute it.   

My stance on Philly has remained pretty consistent.   I've been intrigued by what they were doing.  They essentially looked at the system, realized that you need a superstar to be competitive, and decided "the heck with short-term success... we're in superstar or bust mode". This started BEFORE HINKIE when they gambled on Andrew Bynum.  That franchise has been committed to the idea of landing start talent and understood that the only way they were going to get star talent was to either bottom out and draft one, or trade for one by acquiring assets (a method Danny Ainge, the best GM in basketball, had already proven successful). 

Really, the Celtics are in "superstar or bust mode" too whether people here want to admit it.  Ainge is willing to go all-in at the first opportunity... but Boston has determined that their best chance is via trade or via free agency.  Philly decided their best chance was via the draft.   Fwiw, Ainge has a healthy respect for tanking as well.  He's successfully tanked this team for draft assets before... and I'm pretty sure he wasn't expecting a playoff run when he traded away our two best players last season (rondo and jeff green).  He wanted a top pick. 

So anyways, Philly gamed the system.   Bottomed out entirely.   Collected cheap young guys that they could flip for picks.  Went for "best player available" in every draft.   It's how you'd run a team in NBA 2k franchise mode or something.   I personally followed this method when I joined the CelticsBlog Fantasy Points League... took over a bottom team 8 years into their league, traded everyone for draft picks and young assets... and then after 2 years of blatant tanking, I turned all those assets into a juggernaut that is now dominating the league.   The thing is, you have the privilege of doing something like this in fantasy basketball or a video game where chemistry, media, player personalities and fans don't matter...  To do that in the real world was kind of unheard of (though we'd seen teams effectively tank for stars countless times before).    It has been fascinating to watch.

At some point, they'd clearly have to flip the switch from "asset collecting mode" to "put together a team mode".   They likely would have done it prior to this season, but Embiid needed another year and Saric stayed over seas.   So they tanked one more year.   Everything suggested they would flip the switch this summer.   Bringing in Colangelo is a sign they are ready to flip that switch. 

I think some fans look at their roster and incorrectly believe they have nothing to show for their tanking.  That's factually inaccurate. That's the point of confusion that leads to "debates" like these.   There are assets on that roster.  They have tons of options.   They are getting daily calls for Okafor and Noel alone and those guys might not even be in their Top 2 most valuable assets. 

I'm a Celtic fan, obviously... but I'm also a huge fan of the NBA in general.   The 76ers are a fascinating experiment in the same way Karl Towns is a fascinating prospect and the Warriors are a fascinating team.   Respected basketball minds like Zach Lowe and Charles Barkely have backed up my stance on that team within the past month... they are in pretty good shape heading forward and could have a competitive team sooner than people think.   Whether or not Hinkie is fired is kind of irrelevant.  He set them up beautifully.   I'm pretty interested to see where they go from here... also because it could impact our own team.  It's painfully clear that the 76ers will need to trade at least one of those highly touted big man prospects and I know for a fact Ainge has had interest in grabbing one.   He isn't getting one of those bigs for free, though.    As a fan of the Celtics and the league in general, I'm excited to see what Philly does.   Here's hoping they bust in the draft, trade one of their star prospects to Boston for pennies on the dollar, and fall flat on their faces.
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