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Anthony Bennett: Where are they now?
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Last time he was in the nba, he got waived from nets team d league team. That's how bad he is

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.

Not just a good team... Ferner won the euroleague title. He played in 10 euroleague games 60 mins total. At the same time Datome was important part of the rotation....

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)
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The question probably would be this in an alternate universe where the Cavs still get those top picks but got it right...how sick would this team be?  Kyrie Irving, Giannis A. (Cant spell his surname) and Andrew Wiggins....I knowthey won't have Lebron and no title but if you had that team this yr..how far would they reach and which are the role players that they would surround those bunch...we could only speculate.

I suppose they still wouldn't trade the 3 plus yrs they contended with Lebron but come next yr and if the king leaves then they will be pressing the rebuild button again.
And that frnchise will be back in the cellar once more.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2017, 01:50:07 PM »

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)



 Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right aaround him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 


Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Obviously getting one of the worst players in the entire draft with the first overall pick is so bad it is difficult to make sense of. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick? 
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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)



 Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right after him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 


Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick?

Sorry for jumping in, but yes. Any player from the second round who stays in the League after 3 years is a good pick.


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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 02:00:07 PM »

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)



 Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right after him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 


Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick?

Sorry for jumping in, but yes. Any player from the second round who stays in the League after 3 years is a good pick.

I don't really think it is that impressive, especially for a deeper draft than some years. If you look at the first 10 picks of that second round all of them except 2 were playing in the NBA last year https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2014.html


Sorry that is not impressive.

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To be fair, he salvaged his career (for now) by coming off the bench for the Nets.  That's about as close to being out of the league as you can get.  He provided some desperately needed shooting, but offers nothing else. 
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To be fair, he salvaged his career (for now) by coming off the bench for the Nets.  That's about as close to being out of the league as you can get.  He provided some desperately needed shooting, but offers nothing else.

Yea..  it is obviously not a terrible pick but he was traded by the Cavs when he was injured for a 2020 second round pick from the Magic his second year and promptly waived by the Magic. The fact that he is carved out a few minutes on a terrible Nets team is almost irrelevant. Calling him out as an example of Cleveland drafting success is strange to say the least.

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To be fair, he salvaged his career (for now) by coming off the bench for the Nets.  That's about as close to being out of the league as you can get.  He provided some desperately needed shooting, but offers nothing else.
he was one of the reasons the nets were one of the worst teams ever

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)



 Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right after him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 


Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick?

Sorry for jumping in, but yes. Any player from the second round who stays in the League after 3 years is a good pick.

I don't really think it is that impressive, especially for a deeper draft than some years. If you look at the first 10 picks of that second round all of them except 2 were playing in the NBA last year https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2014.html


Sorry that is not impressive.

nr 31 Damien Inglis: plays in Italy
nr 32 KJ McDaniels Raptors
nr 33 Harris
34 Cleanthony Early plays for a Greek team
35 Stokes G League

You underestimate how bad the second round is if you look for impressive there.

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Wow. He was on a good euro team last year but hardly played and was released. Ouch. Off to China I suppose.
Cleveland is garbage at drafting. Makes you think what they'll do with that nets pick, probably get Bennett 2.0 lol
Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)



 Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right after him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 


Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick?

Sorry for jumping in, but yes. Any player from the second round who stays in the League after 3 years is a good pick.

I don't really think it is that impressive, especially for a deeper draft than some years. If you look at the first 10 picks of that second round all of them except 2 were playing in the NBA last year https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2014.html


Sorry that is not impressive.

nr 31 Damien Inglis: plays in Italy
nr 32 KJ McDaniels Raptors
nr 33 Harris
34 Cleanthony Early plays for a Greek team
35 Stokes G League

You underestimate how bad the second round is if you look for impressive there.

Jeez Greece. Come on man. This is pretty awful cherry picking by you. What I said is 100% true that 8 of the first 11 players played 3 years in the NBA and the ones I mentioned in my earlier post all have comparable or better careers. Picking arguably the worst 4 guys of the top 10 guys and ignoring a star like Jokic or solid young players like Glenn Robinson like Jerami Grant that are actually playing 20 minutes on playoff teams is really a weak post by you.

Also, the problem with your main premise is that you are not realizing the difference between the second round as a whole and guys taken in the first 10 picks of the second round. While it is true if you get a guy drafted at 50-60 to make the NBA and play 3 years it is a really good accomplishment, it is not true that a guy drafted in the 30's  (Harris was 33) playing 3 years as a fringe NBA player is some big accomplishment success. When you are drafting 33rd you are drafting a player that many many teams had on their first round draft board. If you want to talk about a big success in that period you start talking about the starters or role players on good teams that are taken their every year. (Joe Harris would not make the roster of most good teams)

2014 was Jokic who will almost certainly be an all-star at some point (plus the other guys I mentioned). 2015 is somewhat to early to tell but guys like Montrel Harrel, Wiley Hernangomez, Richaun Holmes, and Josh Richardson all look like they will have long careers. 2013 was an awful draft top to bottom, but 2012 has Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jay Crowder. 2011 has Bogjanovich, Shelvin Mack and Chandler Parsons, 2010 has Hassan Whiteside and Lance Stephenson. Calling a fringe player like Joe Harris that plays a few minutes on the worst team in the league in a backup role (and will be their 5th or 6th guard this year) a big success for the 33rd pick in a draft has been, and continues to be, bizarre. 

Furthermore, are we just glossing over the fact that he was dumped for a late second round round pick and waived by the Magic? How is that good drafting by Cleveland even he somehow did become a legit NBA player at some point?
 

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Bennett was pretty bad, but otherwise they haven't done that poorly of late.  I mean they did manage to get Irving and Thompson in the same draft, Waiters seems like he is finally reaching his potential down in Miami, Zeller was a solid pick for outside the lottery, Wiggins was the right pick (though Embiid may ultimately end up better), and even some of their 2nd round picks have made the league (like Danny Green and Joe Harris)
Joe Harris is a success as the 33rd pick in the draft because he averages 5 points for his career? From that second round around him Jokic, Glenn Robinson, Jordan Clarkson, Dwight Powell, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarnell Stokes, KJ McDaniels were all players that were drafted right aaround him and are still playing along (some with more significant roles) Pretty faint praise to call that a success. 
That was obviously a pretty deep draft, but yeah a 2nd round pick coming off his 3rd season averaging 22 mpg and 8 ppg and 3 rpg is a good pick.  Obviously Jokic was a monster, but aside from him it could reasonably be argued that Harris had the best year of all those players last year.  So yeah, he was a good pick. 

Also is Thompson that great a pick? All stars Kemba Walker, Kawaii Leonard and Klay Thompson were all taken in the 11 picks after him. Valuncinas and Vucevic are pretty similar players taken afterwards. He is ok, but definitely not a huge nailed pick for the 4th pick in the draft.
Thompson is an interesting pick.  He has clearly been better than Williams and Kanter taken at 2 and 3.  He has been comparable to Valanciunas who went 5th and has been far better than 6-8 (Vesely, Biyombo, Knight).  Obviously Walker, Thompson, and Leonard are all better, but in re-draft Thompson might very well go 5th, which makes him at the very least a decent pick. 

Also not sure how to count some of their picks because it is unclear if they were drafted for other teams but these are actual guys drafted in the first round by their team since Lebron: Christian Eyenga, Luke Jackson (lottery), Tyus Jones, Sergey Karasev, Jared Cunningham.
Jackson was a long time ago, like 10 Cavs regimes ago.  Eyenga is a weird one because he kept going back to Europe, including during the lockout, but the Cavs ended trading him with Sessions and picked up a 1st round pick and the right to swap 1st rounders.  Cavs dumped Karasev in the trade that brought Zeller to Boston so they could sign James.  Hard to make much of that, but yeah that was a bad pick.  Cavs didn't draft Cunningham or Jones.  Cunningham was part of the Zeller trade.  They traded the Jones pick for 3 second rounders including Cedi Osman who they just brought over this summer. 

Sure Irving and Wiggins were nice picks, but they were also consensus number 1 picks so hard to call that out as amazing. Obviously getting one of the worst players in the entire draft with the first overall pick is so bad it is difficult to make sense of. Worse some of the few guys they did draft in second round were traded quickly before experiencing success elsewhere (Crabbe, Crowder and Green waived after one season).
Wiggins wasn't quite a consensus #1 pick.  There was much debate about Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid.  Most pushed Embiid back because of the injuries, but plenty of mocks had Parker going 1.  Sure Wiggins was the guy the majority had at 1, but it certainly wasn't a no brainer.  Irving was the consensus #1.  I'm not sure they actually drafted Crabbe as there was some weird trading with that pick.  They didn't draft Crowder, he was in the Zeller trade as well.  No idea why they waived Green, but I'm sure it was just a roster crunch type thing as it was right before the season started. 

If the Celtics had done the same picks as Cleveland the last 15 years there would be at least twice as many fire Danny Ainge threads. We have raked Danny over the coals for Fab Melo, James Young and Jr Giddens in the last decade or so but he has at least gotten some solid contributions from his late first's for an extended period. Have the Cavs even had anyone as good as Avery Bradley that stayed with their team that was not a top 5 pick?
probably not, but a lot of that is mostly they just flat out have traded a lot of picks or either been very terrible (and thus pick in the top 5) or very good (and thus pick at the end of the 1st round where finding diamonds in the rough is that much harder).  I think Zeller is about the only fairly recent 1st rounder they've had that was in the middle of the 1st round (they had to trade to get him as well).  He isn't Bradley, but he has been solid value for that pick range.
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