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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2014, 03:32:17 PM »

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Never understood the Melo pick, terrible in college usually means terrible in the NBA

Here is the answer:

22: Fab Melo
23: John Jenkins (bunch of time in D-League, out for all of last season)
24: Jared Cunningham (21 career games in 2 years, although on Clips now)
25: Tony Wroten (he is an ok player for fantasy, although I'm unsure about real life)
26: Miles Plumlee (he is ok)
27: Arnett Moultrie (out of the league)
28: PJ3 (I wanted him when the pick was happening)
29: Marquis Teague (out of the league)
30: Festus Ezeli (he's ok)
31: Jeffery Taylor (he's ok)
32: Tomas Satoransky (out of the league)
33: Bernard James (out of the league)

That is a total crapshoot of a list of players.  I wanted PJ3 at the time, but I feel like I would have given up on him by now.  He didn't do anything the last two years
definitely puts some perspective on it.  I wanted Moultrie over Sully (smh) and PJIII.   I was ok with the Sully pick but worried about his back.  hated the Melo pick right from the get go.  I would have understood Ezeli more than Melo but still been upset PJIII wasn't taken.  I had visions of him being able to play some SF at the time.

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2014, 04:30:09 PM »

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I like that there's a why didn't we pick DeAndre Jordan thread and a why did we pick Fab thread.

The thing those picks have in common is that they were players drafted for position instead of the best player available.  They were also win-now picks, where Ainge hoped the players could step in and immediately play 10-15 mpg as a rookie on a contender, even if they were unlikely to develop into role players.

Melo was drafted for position, but he was not a "Win-now" pick.  He was always seen as raw.  The hope was that by the end of the year he might be able to take a few minutes from our tired bigs and provide injury insurance in the playoffs, but that's not really win-now.  My point is that raw bigs are inherently risky, and Fab and DeAndre Jordan easily could have been reversed in terms of who had success.

I think Melo was a win-now pick as the guy who Ainge thought was most likely to be able to provide playoff minutes at the center position.  At the time, I think I wanted to take either Jeff Taylor or Jae Crowder and to get a backup center from the D-League.
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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2014, 04:50:05 PM »

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I never liked the Melo pick, he was poor college player only Big East homers thought he was going to be any good.

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2014, 05:03:26 PM »

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Fab has provided us with more entertainment in the NBA than PJIII ever will.

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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2014, 06:41:59 PM »

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I like that there's a why didn't we pick DeAndre Jordan thread and a why did we pick Fab thread.

The thing those picks have in common is that they were players drafted for position instead of the best player available.  They were also win-now picks, where Ainge hoped the players could step in and immediately play 10-15 mpg as a rookie on a contender, even if they were unlikely to develop into role players.

Melo was drafted for position, but he was not a "Win-now" pick.  He was always seen as raw.  The hope was that by the end of the year he might be able to take a few minutes from our tired bigs and provide injury insurance in the playoffs, but that's not really win-now.  My point is that raw bigs are inherently risky, and Fab and DeAndre Jordan easily could have been reversed in terms of who had success.

I think Melo was a win-now pick as the guy who Ainge thought was most likely to be able to provide playoff minutes at the center position.  At the time, I think I wanted to take either Jeff Taylor or Jae Crowder and to get a backup center from the D-League.
The opposite is true. Melo was a project. That was the almost unanimous perspective. He was raw. The instant contributor guy was Sullinger, not Melo.

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2014, 07:18:42 PM »

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Before the draft I told my best friend that the one player I hope we don't pick is Fab Melo..and when the 23rd pick came, I had that feeling that Danny was picking him..then BAM!! A lot of ppl knew he would be a bust and just wondering why Danny would select him..cause he is 7 foot tall?
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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2014, 07:46:27 PM »

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Just close your eyes and imagine that, instead, Tyler Zeller fell to us and we never picked Fab Melo at all. Problem solved!

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2014, 07:48:39 PM »

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Before the draft I told my best friend that the one player I hope we don't pick is Fab Melo..and when the 23rd pick came, I had that feeling that Danny was picking him..then BAM!! A lot of ppl knew he would be a bust and just wondering why Danny would select him..cause he is 7 foot tall?

well, 7-footers have potential. and pretty much every player picked after melo was absolute garbage, it's actually pretty amazing... so we were picking from a very low talent pool at that point, and we took a shot on a big guy, considering how the rest of the draft turned out, we really didn't miss out on anything.

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2014, 07:49:39 PM »

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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2014, 08:16:54 PM »

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32 pts, 7 reb, and 3 asst against the Clippers.

Why did we take Fab over this guy? He's already done way more than Melo lol ;D

Look guys I know it's one game but I remember draft night I was really upset we didn't take PJIII...he honestly would be great to have in this motion offense right now.

I don't know if I was "really upset" but I was definitely hoping that we took him with that pick. I liked his game and potential even with the injury flags (his back? I forget).

But when we took Fab I wasn't terribly upset at the time. In hindsight I am.
I believe it was his knees and the potential for serious problems loomed large in the minds of some GMs.

Melo was a pick I did not like, but Danny went big as he did with perk, a gamble on size. Since only 25% of the players drafted in the 20s stick in the nba, hard to say he was an unexpected bust.
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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2014, 08:44:39 PM »

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I like that there's a why didn't we pick DeAndre Jordan thread and a why did we pick Fab thread.

The thing those picks have in common is that they were players drafted for position instead of the best player available.  They were also win-now picks, where Ainge hoped the players could step in and immediately play 10-15 mpg as a rookie on a contender, even if they were unlikely to develop into role players.

Melo was drafted for position, but he was not a "Win-now" pick.  He was always seen as raw.  The hope was that by the end of the year he might be able to take a few minutes from our tired bigs and provide injury insurance in the playoffs, but that's not really win-now.  My point is that raw bigs are inherently risky, and Fab and DeAndre Jordan easily could have been reversed in terms of who had success.

I think Melo was a win-now pick as the guy who Ainge thought was most likely to be able to provide playoff minutes at the center position.  At the time, I think I wanted to take either Jeff Taylor or Jae Crowder and to get a backup center from the D-League.
The opposite is true. Melo was a project. That was the almost unanimous perspective. He was raw. The instant contributor guy was Sullinger, not Melo.

Melo was raw offensively, but I think Ainge went with the center who he thought was most likely to be able to step in and defend at an NBA level by the end of the season.  If that's what Ainge wanted, I'm not sure there was a clearly better option than Melo.
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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2014, 09:17:58 PM »

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Jones with another big game.

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2014, 09:41:51 PM »

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32 pts, 7 reb, and 3 asst against the Clippers.

Why did we take Fab over this guy? He's already done way more than Melo lol ;D

Look guys I know it's one game but I remember draft night I was really upset we didn't take PJIII...he honestly would be great to have in this motion offense right now.
Fab Melo was a bad bad choice.
We all know this now.
It's not only Perry Jones, we could have taken  Wroten ot Plumlee. Even Tomáš Satoranský looks like an intriguing prospect by comparison to Melo (in retrospect of course).

Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2014, 09:47:45 PM »

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32 pts, 7 reb, and 3 asst against the Clippers.

Why did we take Fab over this guy? He's already done way more than Melo lol ;D

Look guys I know it's one game but I remember draft night I was really upset we didn't take PJIII...he honestly would be great to have in this motion offense right now.
Fab Melo was a bad bad choice.
We all know this now.
It's not only Perry Jones, we could have taken  Wroten ot Plumlee. Even Tomáš Satoranský looks like an intriguing prospect by comparison to Melo (in retrospect of course).
the risk and reward are different for those two positions. finding a quality center is much more difficult, hence teams need to take greater chances to find quality centers. and as a result, there are more noticeable failures, our very own fab being one case in point.

it really does seem to be hit or miss for centers, with the majority being misses. there have been a ton of lottery busts, yet there have been high quality 5's such as DeAndre, M.Gasol, Okur, and Gortat found in the second round...meaning every GM passed on them at least once for whatever reason.

fab was a miss and i did not like the pick, but i understand ainge swinging for the fences when he already had sully in hand.
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Re: After one game Perry Jones is already a better pick than Fab Melo
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2014, 09:58:25 PM »

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Ainge vindicated for not drafting DeAndre Jordan?

"See what happens when I draft a project center??"

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