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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2013, 10:58:35 PM »

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i still dont get why anyone would want to trade the heir apprentice to larry bird for some random trashy slow center who isnt even half the player that pierce is? is bogut going to be shooting the game winners for us? this has to be a joke thread

Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2013, 11:01:01 PM »

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bogut SUCKS compared to pierce

when healthy, Bogut is a top 5 center in the league. A defensive force and a great low post scorer, excellent passer as well. The problem is he is never healthy and not the guy I would want to build around. I would go for Barnes. Also, the Warriors gave up Monta Ellis for Bogut because they desperately wanted a low post defensive presence. They won't trade that for a Pierce rental.
we already have an all-star center in KG, we dont need bogut.

Yes, we have an All-Star center that would PREFER to play his NATURAL position of PF so he can save the wear and tear on his body of trying to box out heavier and stronger centers on a nightly or every other nightly basis!!!!

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KG has been playing center for 2 years now. He is not going to go back to power forward, he has no lateral movement left to play that position. what dont you understand about that?

Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2013, 11:27:23 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.
How exactly can anyone be a fan of a guy that's played exactly 16 games in the last two seasons.

Or a guy that's played almost half of his team's games over the last FIVE seasons?

At the center position he's as close to Greg Oden as you get. Living a reputation based on something he did for a very short time years ago yet is more fragile than glass and has missed the majority of his team;s games over the last FIVE seasons.

I don't care how young he is. He's a bad invest if you are giving up a top 5 player at his position in this league, regardless of age. Bogut is Greg Oden. He's Bill Walton for years after being hurt in Portland. He's Pervis Ellison. He's Danny Manning. He's a HUGELY bad investment.


Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2013, 11:35:49 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.

CB League isn't real life. I wouldn't invest in him.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2013, 11:47:31 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.
How exactly can anyone be a fan of a guy that's played exactly 16 games in the last two seasons.

Or a guy that's played almost half of his team's games over the last FIVE seasons?

This is a ridiculous question. I'm a fan of well-cooked cheeseburgers that have a high enough fat content and are cooked slowly enough so that they remain tender without necessitating exposing yourself to food poisoning and questionable sanitation habits involved in a rare-medium burger. I'm a fan of watching the Naked Gun for the millionth time with good friends and better beer even though I know every single line by heart. You can be a fan of corny movies and burgers so bad for you they give you diabetes before dessert of you like having them in your life.

The question you should've asked is 'why would you believe in a guy like Bogut, or be satisfied if your team invested in him?'

And you know the answers to that. His injuries have been frequent, but mostly unrelated. His chronic ailment is bad luck.

His positives are intelligence, heart, and the track record to show he can be an elite rebounder, elite defender, elite passer (for the center position) and adaquate offense player in those rare instances when he's been healthy.

He's also a tough and determined leader. The kind of guy you want on your team.

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At the center position he's as close to Greg Oden as you get. Living a reputation based on something he did for a very short time years ago yet is more fragile than glass and has missed the majority of his team;s games over the last FIVE seasons.

No. He did it longer and better than Oden, and his injury history is very different in terms of causality.

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I don't care how young he is. He's a bad invest if you are giving up a top 5 player at his position in this league, regardless of age. Bogut is Greg Oden. He's Bill Walton for years after being hurt in Portland. He's Pervis Ellison. He's Danny Manning. He's a HUGELY bad investment.

You may be right in terms of results. He's a 'wait and see' player. Wait, and, we'll see. Either he'll shake his bad luck, or he won't. You obviously believe he won't. I think he could, and has a pretty justifiable upside if he does. If in 2 years he still can't get healthy, I'll owe you a beer.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2013, 11:49:47 PM »

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Well, we'll see how the rest of the season plays out for the Dubs, then we'll talk.
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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2013, 11:52:49 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.

CB League isn't real life. I wouldn't invest in him.

Whoa whoa whoa. Three points:

1) If you recall, I did not invest in Bogut this past summer. I understand the downside.

2) and if it was real life, my boys are sitting atop the regular season standings right now.

3) seriously, how much would you have loved to have Chandler Parsons over S-Jax? It's that kind of insight that bears acknowledgment.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 11:56:19 PM »

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Dubs are really high on Barnes, so unless its Rudy Gay, who they really covet I think they will keep him.

As for Beans and RJ, expiring contracts and picks would be enough to land either one. Problen is, we dont have them.
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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 11:57:49 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.
How exactly can anyone be a fan of a guy that's played exactly 16 games in the last two seasons.

Or a guy that's played almost half of his team's games over the last FIVE seasons?

This is a ridiculous question. I'm a fan of well-cooked cheeseburgers that have a high enough fat content and are cooked slowly enough so that they remain tender without necessitating exposing yourself to food poisoning and questionable sanitation habits involved in a rare-medium burger. I'm a fan of watching the Naked Gun for the millionth time with good friends and better beer even though I know every single line by heart. You can be a fan of corny movies and burgers so bad for you they give you diabetes before dessert of you like having them in your life.

The question you should've asked is 'why would you believe in a guy like Bogut, or be satisfied if your team invested in him?'

And you know the answers to that. His injuries have been frequent, but mostly unrelated. His chronic ailment is bad luck.

His positives are intelligence, heart, and the track record to show he can be an elite rebounder, elite defender, elite passer (for the center position) and adaquate offense player in those rare instances when he's been healthy.

He's also a tough and determined leader. The kind of guy you want on your team.

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At the center position he's as close to Greg Oden as you get. Living a reputation based on something he did for a very short time years ago yet is more fragile than glass and has missed the majority of his team;s games over the last FIVE seasons.

No. He did it longer and better than Oden, and his injury history is very different in terms of causality.

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I don't care how young he is. He's a bad invest if you are giving up a top 5 player at his position in this league, regardless of age. Bogut is Greg Oden. He's Bill Walton for years after being hurt in Portland. He's Pervis Ellison. He's Danny Manning. He's a HUGELY bad investment.

You may be right in terms of results. He's a 'wait and see' player. Wait, and, we'll see. Either he'll shake his bad luck, or he won't. You obviously believe he won't. I think he could, and has a pretty justifiable upside if he does. If in 2 years he still can't get healthy, I'll owe you a beer.
Actually, and take this in the fun manner it is meant given our debates over Bogut in CB Draft threads, my question isn't ridiculous. Its not questioning whether  a person can be a fan of Bogut's considering his history, its questioning the sanity of the person being a fan of Bogut's considering his work over the past five year's.  ;)

All in all, I will buy you that beer if Bogut does ANYTHING near what he did in 2010 but I seriously doubt it. I don't get the "He's injuries are bad luck and not related" excuse. Its an excuse. Rondo played a playoff series on a separated elbow. He played a quarter on a torn ACL.

Bogut would never do that. I am convinced of that.

Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2013, 11:58:43 PM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.

CB League isn't real life. I wouldn't invest in him.

Whoa whoa whoa. Three points:

1) If you recall, I did not invest in Bogut this past summer. I understand the downside.

2) and if it was real life, my boys are sitting atop the regular season standings right now.

3) seriously, how much would you have loved to have Chandler Parsons over S-Jax? It's that kind of insight that bears acknowledgment.

Haha I was talking about the year before when the Amare Bogut Injruy Sandwhch somehow duped people into thinking it was better then a big three of KG, Pierce, and Big Al.

Anyways I just figured out a deal that guarantees the Golden St. Warriors a title.  ;D

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=apty9yw

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2013, 11:59:53 PM »

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As for Beans and RJ, expiring contracts and picks would be enough to land either one. Problen is, we dont have them.

We don't want them... We would be willing to take them for Pierce if Barnes was coming with.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2013, 12:12:31 AM »

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Bogut would never do that. I am convinced of that.

I think his history proves you wrong here. He attempted to play through ridiculous pain this fall in the form of a stress fracture (I think that's what it was), and eventually had to sit.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2013, 12:20:34 AM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.

CB League isn't real life. I wouldn't invest in him.

Whoa whoa whoa. Three points:

1) If you recall, I did not invest in Bogut this past summer. I understand the downside.

2) and if it was real life, my boys are sitting atop the regular season standings right now.

3) seriously, how much would you have loved to have Chandler Parsons over S-Jax? It's that kind of insight that bears acknowledgment.

Haha I was talking about the year before when the Amare Bogut Injruy Sandwhch somehow duped people into thinking it was better then a big three of KG, Pierce, and Big Al.

Anyways I just figured out a deal that guarantees the Golden St. Warriors a title.  ;D

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=apty9yw
Yeah, well that same year, Amare/Bogut was somehow better than DPOY Tyson Chandler/Paul Milsap's career year/ LBJ's MVP and Finals MVP year.

Figure that one out.

Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2013, 12:29:04 AM »

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Huge Bogut fan. Heard the Warriors are too.

CB League isn't real life. I wouldn't invest in him.

Whoa whoa whoa. Three points:

1) If you recall, I did not invest in Bogut this past summer. I understand the downside.

2) and if it was real life, my boys are sitting atop the regular season standings right now.

3) seriously, how much would you have loved to have Chandler Parsons over S-Jax? It's that kind of insight that bears acknowledgment.

Haha I was talking about the year before when the Amare Bogut Injruy Sandwhch somehow duped people into thinking it was better then a big three of KG, Pierce, and Big Al.

Anyways I just figured out a deal that guarantees the Golden St. Warriors a title.  ;D

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=apty9yw
Yeah, well that same year, Amare/Bogut was somehow better than DPOY Tyson Chandler/Paul Milsap's career year/ LBJ's MVP and Finals MVP year.

Figure that one out.

Hindsight is 20/20. I admit freely now, with the benefit of hindsight, you had the better team.

But since we're talking about Bogut here and not my underappreciated mastery as a Celticsblog GM, let me take a shot at this.

1) Before Bogut suffered his hideous elbow injury, he was in fact the best defensive center in the NBA, or at least a peer of Howard.

2) Amare was coming off an absolute beast of a season as a center and offensive force until Melo got there and ruined everything

3) Kyle Lowry and James Harden 4 lyfe, y'all.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2013, 01:01:58 AM »

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  Honestly, the Warriors would be nasty by adding Pierce and Bass. That's nine really talented players, and a NBA champion to lead those kids.

 I would demand one first and Draymond Green, plus Barnes and fillers and you got a deal.

 

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