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Kyrie Finally Getting the Respect he Deserves
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:43:27 PM »

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ESPN has ranked Kyrie Irving 20th overall among active NBA players. 

20. Kyrie Irving

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Previous rank: 25

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As a young star, Irving charted as high as No. 8 in NBArank based on his immense potential. Now he's settled in as a top-20 player because he has averaged only 63 games played in his seven seasons -- and his defensive effort is not a lengthy visitor. But at age 26, with a full return to health and the possibility of playoff heroics ahead, Uncle Drew can rise again. -- Royce Webb

source: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24668157/nbarank-2018-19-11-20-best-players-season

It's nice to see the Celtics have a top 20 guy.  Your thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 03:47:47 PM »

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I thought Kyrie should have been higher. I think he is definitely better than Simmons, Towns, Draymond and Oladipo. I see Kyrie around top 15.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 03:53:53 PM »

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if he was a Laker he d be about 10 th

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 04:47:03 PM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?


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I didn't realize they had Simmons and KAT above Kyrie... that does seem egregious.  I suspect they're taking potential growth into account.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 08:14:32 PM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense. 

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense.

Well I thought the list was who is the best player, not who missed the least number of games.

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 08:56:58 PM »

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I didn't realize they had Simmons and KAT above Kyrie... that does seem egregious.  I suspect they're taking potential growth into account.
Yep.  Chances are that those two will improve more than Irving over the course of the season.

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That’s actually a pretty rough ranking for a guy like Kyrie who is already so popular. As others have said, I think the injuries have hurt his ranking quite a bit. Not that I would have agreed with it, but I suspect he would have been around #10 if he had been healthy through the playoffs last season; he just has that kind of notoriety and flash.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2018, 11:44:47 PM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense.

Well I thought the list was who is the best player, not who missed the least number of games.

Esp coming from a Sixer fan that was hilarious.

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 12:06:46 AM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense.

Well I thought the list was who is the best player, not who missed the least number of games.

Esp coming from a Sixer fan that was hilarious.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 12:38:45 AM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense.
Strange you mention Kyrie's injuries but not Simmons missing the entire 2016-17 season or, in other words, playing in less than half the games he should have thus far in his career.

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I'm not sure I'd call ranking Kyrie as the 20th best player is giving him his due, but whatever, rankings like these don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things.

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.

I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
Two of the past 3 seasons Irving has played 60 games or less.  Simmons played 81 last season.  Towns has played 82 games each of his 1st 3 seasons.  If Oladipo is close offensively, he gets the nod for his defense.

Well I thought the list was who is the best player, not who missed the least number of games.

Esp coming from a Sixer fan that was hilarious.
Joel Embiid's 94 games in 3 seasons hasn't really impacted his rankings

Yeah that's why I found it funny that the Sixers guy reasoned Kyrie's injuries when their players have the same issues.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2018, 07:01:05 AM »

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How Ben Simmons / KA Towns are above KI makes no sense to me.  Simmons was really exposed in the playoffs.  I don't think he should be considered a top 20 player.  Towns as well.

Oladipo seems to be questionable as well at 15, but to me he seems to have proven more in last year's playoffs than Simmons / Towns.


I dunno, I stopped going to ESPN's web site and reading their stories a couple of years ago.  It feels like hype not quality.  I suppose any top whatever list is going to spark outrage, I mean that is the point right?
This sounds about right to me. 

IMO, Simmons is wildly overrated.  That doesn't mean he doesn't still have high potential, but you make a good point about him being exposed in the playoffs.

Towns too has become a bit overrated.  His defense is lacking.  I thought he had a higher trajectory after winning the Skills Competition a few years ago, but he doesn't seem to impact winning as much as one would expect for a top-15 player.
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