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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2018, 05:56:45 AM »

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If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.
Nope.  Hayward is the Celtics best player.

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that is pretty funny, but I've been saying it since they both arrived, Hayward is a better player than Irving.  Irving has been greatly overrated on this board.  It isn't surprising, but it also doesn't make his supposed greatness true.  Heck, last year the major sites said Hayward was better as well (though I suspect they will have Irving better this year just because of the Hayward injury). 

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2018, 05:57:02 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.
Nope.  Hayward is the Celtics best player.

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This made me audibly laugh hard, TP.

I think Hayward has a legit argument at being better than Kyrie, simply because he's so well-rounded. But ultimately I think Kyrie is our best player, considering he's one of the most talented offensive players in the league.

Now let's wait for points per shot stats to come flying ;)
No stats are necessary.
Kyrie didn't make Anthony Bennett better and we are talking about the 1st pick in the draft.
If he had a different PG beside him - watch out!

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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.

I can't wait.
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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 07:50:47 PM »

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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2018, 08:26:28 PM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.



Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2018, 06:25:51 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
We don't need him to be the best player, we want to be the best team.
Teams win chips, players just win accolades.

Mike was the best player in the league '88-'90 and it didn't mean anything regarding the rings.
RW was the MVP 2 years ago and they lasted 5 playoff games.

Give me the best team (coaches, starters, bench) and I won't ask for anything more.
Kyrie can be the 35th player then.
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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2018, 07:06:28 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2018, 08:18:02 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving. 

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2018, 08:20:27 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.
And? LeBron and Durant are better players than Harden.

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2018, 08:25:42 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.
And? LeBron and Durant are better players than Harden.
Lebron and Durant aren't on Harden's team.  Strange you don't see that correlation.  After all it isn't a coincidence that the defending 2 time MVP and first unanimous MVP in NBA history hasn't won the award since another top 5 player joined his team (who mind you was a former MVP and hasn't sniffed the award since either). 
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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2018, 09:09:40 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.
And? LeBron and Durant are better players than Harden.
Lebron and Durant aren't on Harden's team.  Strange you don't see that correlation.  After all it isn't a coincidence that the defending 2 time MVP and first unanimous MVP in NBA history hasn't won the award since another top 5 player joined his team (who mind you was a former MVP and hasn't sniffed the award since either).
That isn't the point I was trying to make. I thought that was obvious.

You're implying that the best player will naturally lead the MVP race. I disagree with that, as things like defence are incredibly underrated

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2018, 09:18:06 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.

Putting aside the question of who is better, Kyrie's style has resulted in more personal accolades than Hayward even though Hayward was always the #1 on his team and Kyrie wasn't for a lot of his time in Cleveland. Based just on that,  Kyrie is more likely to be in the MVP conversation.

And of the two injuries, Hayward's is going to be harder to come back from.
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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2018, 09:49:55 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.

Putting aside the question of who is better, Kyrie's style has resulted in more personal accolades than Hayward even though Hayward was always the #1 on his team and Kyrie wasn't for a lot of his time in Cleveland. Based just on that,  Kyrie is more likely to be in the MVP conversation.

And of the two injuries, Hayward's is going to be harder to come back from.
I don't disagree with much of this, but neither one is going to come all that close to winning the MVP.  I do disagree with the injury harder to come back from.  Irving's is far more likely to be recurring and have problems.  First, because it a knee has injured a lot.  Second, because it is a knee.  Third, because it wasn't a clean break.  It may take Hayward a bit longer to round into full playing shape (MAY), but I think he is much more likely to eventually return to 100% than Irving.  In fact, I expect Irving to have knee issues for the rest of his career (at least off and on). 

Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2018, 09:52:53 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.

Putting aside the question of who is better, Kyrie's style has resulted in more personal accolades than Hayward even though Hayward was always the #1 on his team and Kyrie wasn't for a lot of his time in Cleveland. Based just on that,  Kyrie is more likely to be in the MVP conversation.

And of the two injuries, Hayward's is going to be harder to come back from.
I don't disagree with much of this, but neither one is going to come all that close to winning the MVP.  I do disagree with the injury harder to come back from.  Irving's is far more likely to be recurring and have problems.  First, because it a knee has injured a lot.  Second, because it is a knee.  Third, because it wasn't a clean break.  It may take Hayward a bit longer to round into full playing shape (MAY), but I think he is much more likely to eventually return to 100% than Irving.  In fact, I expect Irving to have knee issues for the rest of his career (at least off and on).

You've used an 8th place finish in MVP voting to support a player's legitimacy before, I don't remember if it was Davis or Kawhi.  Using your top 8 finish as precedent, we can dispel this.

Kyrie was top 5-7 last year when healthy and if Hayward or Al get injured he could easily be in that range again if healthy even if he doesn't get better than last year, so yeah, I disagree.
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Re: Kyrie update
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2018, 10:30:33 AM »

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Best player on a 60 win team for the first time his career this year!

If he stays with the Celtics, there will be more.

I think we're going to hear a lot of Kyrie's name in the MVP discussions this year.


I have my doubts - but I can see a pathway to it. Voters are likely to consider the top scorer on a 60+ win team to be 'in the discussion'.

The knee has to hold up...

He won't be the best player on the Celtics, though.
He was routinely in the running for MVP race according to NBA.com throughout last year when he was healthy, around 5 or so. So if he returns to that level of play, he most likely will be (assuming we win, which we will ;) )
Hayward didn't play though and Hayward is better than Irving.

Putting aside the question of who is better, Kyrie's style has resulted in more personal accolades than Hayward even though Hayward was always the #1 on his team and Kyrie wasn't for a lot of his time in Cleveland. Based just on that,  Kyrie is more likely to be in the MVP conversation.

And of the two injuries, Hayward's is going to be harder to come back from.
I don't disagree with much of this, but neither one is going to come all that close to winning the MVP.  I do disagree with the injury harder to come back from.  Irving's is far more likely to be recurring and have problems.  First, because it a knee has injured a lot.  Second, because it is a knee.  Third, because it wasn't a clean break.  It may take Hayward a bit longer to round into full playing shape (MAY), but I think he is much more likely to eventually return to 100% than Irving.  In fact, I expect Irving to have knee issues for the rest of his career (at least off and on).

You've used an 8th place finish in MVP voting to support a player's legitimacy before, I don't remember if it was Davis or Kawhi.  Using your top 8 finish as precedent, we can dispel this.

Kyrie was top 5-7 last year when healthy and if Hayward or Al get injured he could easily be in that range again if healthy even if he doesn't get better than last year, so yeah, I disagree.
well sure if Hayward gets injured again, then yeah Irving would have a shot, but I'm not going to assume that Hayward gets injured again, especially when past history says it will be Irving missing time and not Hayward.