Celtics depth chart / lineup questions (merged)

[wdleehi]

we should get a pretty good indication of PT wednesday vs detroit....

if anyone thinks KG, PP, RA play less than 38mpg, you havent been watching much.

also, there is not point projecting minutes for bench players expecting a 9-10 deep rotation.

sam, pj, and posey will all get 15+ mpg (and the others will get sporadic garbage time).

I am putting what I think.  Not what I think Doc will do. 


That's why you see Posey getting most of his minutes at SF. 

I think with Cassell, it will be hard for House to get consistent minutes.  I just don't like the size the Celtics will be at if House plays alot of minutes at SG.  I think he becomes a specialist.  A shooter when the Celtics need a offensive boost off the bench.  And I just think Tony is the better player then House when on the floor with a PG. 

As for the minutes reduction, I just think that is enough minutes for the Celtics players to be mentally and physically ready for the playoffs, while being fresher for the playoffs and still being good enough to be one of the top two seeds. 

[shookones99]

we should get a pretty good indication of PT wednesday vs detroit....

if anyone thinks KG, PP, RA play less than 38mpg, you havent been watching much.

also, there is not point projecting minutes for bench players expecting a 9-10 deep rotation.

sam, pj, and posey will all get 15+ mpg (and the others will get sporadic garbage time).

I am putting what I think.  Not what I think Doc will do. 


That's why you see Posey getting most of his minutes at SF. 

I think with Cassell, it will be hard for House to get consistent minutes.  I just don't like the size the Celtics will be at if House plays alot of minutes at SG.  I think he becomes a specialist.  A shooter when the Celtics need a offensive boost off the bench.  And I just think Tony is the better player then House when on the floor with a PG. 

As for the minutes reduction, I just think that is enough minutes for the Celtics players to be mentally and physically ready for the playoffs, while being fresher for the playoffs and still being good enough to be one of the top two seeds. 

I don't think Posey needs to play any minutes at the 4.  Powe and Davis can handle that.  I also definitely think TA is better than House.


edit - just moved your words out of the 'quotes' - wdleehi

[wdleehi]

we should get a pretty good indication of PT wednesday vs detroit....

if anyone thinks KG, PP, RA play less than 38mpg, you havent been watching much.

also, there is not point projecting minutes for bench players expecting a 9-10 deep rotation.

sam, pj, and posey will all get 15+ mpg (and the others will get sporadic garbage time).

I am putting what I think.  Not what I think Doc will do. 


That's why you see Posey getting most of his minutes at SF. 

I think with Cassell, it will be hard for House to get consistent minutes.  I just don't like the size the Celtics will be at if House plays alot of minutes at SG.  I think he becomes a specialist.  A shooter when the Celtics need a offensive boost off the bench.  And I just think Tony is the better player then House when on the floor with a PG. 

As for the minutes reduction, I just think that is enough minutes for the Celtics players to be mentally and physically ready for the playoffs, while being fresher for the playoffs and still being good enough to be one of the top two seeds. 

I don't think Posey needs to play any minutes at the 4.  Powe and Davis can handle that.  I also definitely think TA is better than House.


edit - just moved your words out of the 'quotes' - wdleehi

I think there are certain times or matchups that throwing Posey at PF for a couple of minutes can get certain players out of their game. 


Just don't use Posey exclusively at PF.

[Gino]

we should get a pretty good indication of PT wednesday vs detroit....

Bill Simmons on wednesday was worried that Doc would go crazy with a 12 man rotation come playoff time.  This Detroit game proved that he won't.  In a "playoff type" game he went with a 9 man rotation with the exception of the two minutes of garbage time Powe got.

The second unit was Posey, House, Davis and T.Allen.  Come playoff time, with Cassell on board, he'll take up some of House's time and Allen will only play when there's a need for perimeter defense.  Powe and Posey will compete for who gets that last spot in the 9-10 man rotation.  I don't see any problems in the playoffs with the rotation, barring an injury of course.

[Chris]

we should get a pretty good indication of PT wednesday vs detroit....

Bill Simmons on wednesday was worried that Doc would go crazy with a 12 man rotation come playoff time.  This Detroit game proved that he won't.  In a "playoff type" game he went with a 9 man rotation with the exception of the two minutes of garbage time Powe got.

The second unit was Posey, House, Davis and T.Allen.  Come playoff time, with Cassell on board, he'll take up some of House's time and Allen will only play when there's a need for perimeter defense.  Powe and Posey will compete for who gets that last spot in the 9-10 man rotation.  I don't see any problems in the playoffs with the rotation, barring an injury of course.

Ummm, how did the Detroit game prove anything?  Doc went with a 9 man rotation, but he was not playing 2 guys that will be in the rotation come playoff time (Brown and Cassell).

Right now, my money is on Doc going with a 10 man rotation in the playoffs (Pierce, Allen, Garnett, Rondo, Perk, Posey, Cassell, Brown, Davis, and House), with Allen and Powe/Scal playing only in rare situations/matchups. 

[Gino]

It proved something because it proved he's willing to go to a shorter rotation in an important game.  Brown is really not counted on for the playoffs anyway.  He's only going to see time when there's severe foul trouble or based on matchups.

Bringing in Cassell into the rotation doesn't mean they'll start going to a 12 man rotation or anything.  They went with 9 against Detroit and at worst they go to 10 come playoff time.

[Chris]

It proved something because it proved he's willing to go to a shorter rotation in an important game.  Brown is really not counted on for the playoffs anyway.  He's only going to see time when there's severe foul trouble or based on matchups.

Bringing in Cassell into the rotation doesn't mean they'll start going to a 12 man rotation or anything.  They went with 9 against Detroit and at worst they go to 10 come playoff time.

I 100% vehemenently disagree with this.  There is no way Brown would have come here to be a 12th man.  He is going to the be the first big man off the bench come playoff time, and he likely will be finishing many games on the court.  People forget that he was arguably the best big man on the Bulls last year, but got crunched for PT because they wanted to develop their young guys more, and felt the need to play Wallace to try to prove it wasn't a waste of money.

Yeah, the 12 man rotation is a stretch (and I am possitive Sports Guy was using a bit of hyperbole), but the Detroit game showed absolutely nothing.

The only guys who were not used against Detroit were Brown (who WILL be part of the rotation, but was not ready to play yet) and Scal (who will likely not be on the active roster against a team like Detroit).  They actually played a 10 man rotation the other night against Detroit(Pierce, Allen, Garnett, Rondo, Perkins, Posey, T.Allen, Powe, Davis, House).  So I really don't see how that game proved anything at all.

[radiodavidm]

Right now, my money is on Doc going with a 10 man rotation in the playoffs (Pierce, Allen, Garnett, Rondo, Perk, Posey, Cassell, Brown, Davis, and House), with Allen and Powe/Scal playing only in rare situations/matchups. 

It would be a shame to see Powe only coming in on rare occasions, because he has been such a reliable contributor.  Same to a lesser extent with Tony, though he does have his lapses. But the fact that we are at the point where these guys are the last options shows how deep our bench has grown to be - and how many more options Doc has with addition of PJ and Cassell. 

[Bankshot]

Call me crazy, but I don't see Doc changing the rotation all that much when the playoffs come.  Maybe Powe and Baby don't get as many minutes as they do in the regular season, but I still think they both will play.  I think Scal and Pruitt will be the only ones not to see a minute of time on the court in the playoffs.

[champzi11a]

I'm not worrying about the lineups for the playoffs.  What I am worried about is the lineup of the Celtics Dancers during the playoffs.  How come the only jerseys represented on those girls are those belonging to the big three?  No love for the rest?  I've had enough of this and decided to start a petition to get at least one Celtics Dancer to represent Scalabrine by the start of the postseason.  You can help by singing.

The petition is at http://www.champzilla.com/dancer-for-scalabrine/

[Narcisse]

With Perk out Odom and Gasol are battering KG. I don't know why Big Baby hasn't worked his way into the rotation. He doesn't need a significant amount of minutes. He just needs to relieve some of the pressure on KG and bully Gasol a little. PJ is doing a great job but Big Baby has a more dominant presence in the paint. If Doc rotates him with PJ and Powe, the Lakers will have a hard time establishing any interior offense.