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Mollie Tibbetts allegedly murdered by an illegal immigrant
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An illegal immigrant stands accused of killing college student Mollie Tibbetts and dumping her body in an Iowa cornfield ó after he accosted her during a July 18 jog and she threatened to call police.

Cristhian Bathena Rivera, 24, was charged with first-degree murder Tuesday in Tibbetts' death, officials confirmed.

That poor girl.  Life in prison is too good for him.


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An illegal immigrant stands accused of killing college student Mollie Tibbetts and dumping her body in an Iowa cornfield ó after he accosted her during a July 18 jog and she threatened to call police.

Cristhian Bathena Rivera, 24, was charged with first-degree murder Tuesday in Tibbetts' death, officials confirmed.

That poor girl.  Life in prison is too good for him.

Yeah, this isn't gonna help those arguing for amnesty or any other kind of pathway to citizenship for illegals.
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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
I saw that too on Fox and figured they will push the murder of an American by an undocumented worker to the hilt today to drum up the base on a very bad day for Republicans.

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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
Its not even in the top stories for MSNBC.  You have to choose Explore More to see it.  Of course, both MSNBC and CNN chose to call him an undocumented immigrant.  They all play to their base. 

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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

Agreed.  Every time I see one of these cases I think of my daughter.  I don't know how parents let their kids out into the world.


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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
Its not even in the top stories for MSNBC.  You have to choose Explore More to see it.  Of course, both MSNBC and CNN chose to call him an undocumented immigrant.  They all play to their base.

Calling special attention to these crimes is probably the worst single thing the president does and that Fox does. Every day, people are murdered. If you wanted to, you could focus on the murders done by one group and pay less attention to the rest. You could make a disfavored group out to be dangerous  criminals Ė make everybody furious at them and scared of them. This is what bad governments have done forever and ever, and itís what this one does. But the stoking of fear is mostly a  political tool. Everything we know tells us that undocumenteds are less likely to commit crimes than the general population - which is also intuitive. It is not easy to get here, and most people really, really donít want to be sent back. Most try to stay out of trouble. If you want to debate immigration letís talk about the real issues. Maybe your concerned about wages or cultural change. But the violence thing is wrong on the f acts and wrong in branding people who already usually have very little as criminals.

If you doubt what Iím saying, look around a hospital or a construction site or a farm. Look at that people up early in the morning doing hard work. An awful lot of them are immigrants, and a lot of those are undocumented.

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Sad.

Looks like the "building the wall" idea will keep getting rehashed and reemphasized.

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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
Its not even in the top stories for MSNBC.  You have to choose Explore More to see it.  Of course, both MSNBC and CNN chose to call him an undocumented immigrant.  They all play to their base.

Calling special attention to these crimes is probably the worst single thing the president does and that Fox does. Every day, people are murdered. If you wanted to, you could focus on the murders done by one group and pay less attention to the rest. You could make a disfavored group out to be dangerous  criminals Ė make everybody furious at them and scared of them. This is what bad governments have done forever and ever, and itís what this one does. But the stoking of fear is mostly a  political tool. Everything we know tells us that undocumenteds are less likely to commit crimes than the general population - which is also intuitive. It is not easy to get here, and most people really, really donít want to be sent back. Most try to stay out of trouble. If you want to debate immigration letís talk about the real issues. Maybe your concerned about wages or cultural change. But the violence thing is wrong on the f acts and wrong in branding people who already usually have very little as criminals.

If you doubt what Iím saying, look around a hospital or a construction site or a farm. Look at that people up early in the morning doing hard work. An awful lot of them are immigrants, and a lot of those are undocumented.
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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
Its not even in the top stories for MSNBC.  You have to choose Explore More to see it.  Of course, both MSNBC and CNN chose to call him an undocumented immigrant.  They all play to their base.

Calling special attention to these crimes is probably the worst single thing the president does and that Fox does. Every day, people are murdered. If you wanted to, you could focus on the murders done by one group and pay less attention to the rest. You could make a disfavored group out to be dangerous  criminals Ė make everybody furious at them and scared of them. This is what bad governments have done forever and ever, and itís what this one does. But the stoking of fear is mostly a  political tool. Everything we know tells us that undocumenteds are less likely to commit crimes than the general population - which is also intuitive. It is not easy to get here, and most people really, really donít want to be sent back. Most try to stay out of trouble. If you want to debate immigration letís talk about the real issues. Maybe your concerned about wages or cultural change. But the violence thing is wrong on the f acts and wrong in branding people who already usually have very little as criminals.

If you doubt what Iím saying, look around a hospital or a construction site or a farm. Look at that people up early in the morning doing hard work. An awful lot of them are immigrants, and a lot of those are undocumented.

Nearly my exact thoughts when I saw the thread title.

If people actually cared about their safety, are afraid and are making others aware of people being murdered, they should start naming people who look like them! Don't fear the unknown, it's somewhere in the mid 80s, percentage wise, that if you are murdered, the person who did it has the same skin as you do (the person being a legal American is probably in the high 90s if we are talking about in America)!
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The key difference being... heís not supposed to be in this country! Now we have to tell this girls parents that their daughter is dead because we werenít able to secure the border, which is a basic obligation of the government of a country to which they are citizens and pay taxes to.

Also itís the Democrats that are using this issue as a political tool to buy the Hispanic vote. Democrats donít care about their constituents otherwise they wouldnít enslave them with social programs giving them free stuff designed to keep them forever poor and forever married to the state in exchange for a lifetime of votes. Everything that they do is designed to buy votes with the guise of a smiling face and being the good guy. There are now even socialists who want to increase social programs from 60% of the federal budget to what? to win the political war and bankrupt the country. Wake the **** up, people. Donít just view issues on whether or not itís good for your team. Think about your country, your fellow citizens and what is best for them.
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This and the case of the father killing his pregnant wife and two kids are just so sad. It's cases like these that make you want to have the death penalty in every state.

These are heinous crimes but I donít want the death penalty. Just a philosophical thing on my part.

Side note, but I think itís interesting that Fox News has this story at the top of their page. Not Manafort or Cohen.
Its not even in the top stories for MSNBC.  You have to choose Explore More to see it.  Of course, both MSNBC and CNN chose to call him an undocumented immigrant.  They all play to their base.

Calling special attention to these crimes is probably the worst single thing the president does and that Fox does. Every day, people are murdered. If you wanted to, you could focus on the murders done by one group and pay less attention to the rest. You could make a disfavored group out to be dangerous  criminals Ė make everybody furious at them and scared of them. This is what bad governments have done forever and ever, and itís what this one does. But the stoking of fear is mostly a  political tool. Everything we know tells us that undocumenteds are less likely to commit crimes than the general population - which is also intuitive. It is not easy to get here, and most people really, really donít want to be sent back. Most try to stay out of trouble. If you want to debate immigration letís talk about the real issues. Maybe your concerned about wages or cultural change. But the violence thing is wrong on the f acts and wrong in branding people who already usually have very little as criminals.

If you doubt what Iím saying, look around a hospital or a construction site or a farm. Look at that people up early in the morning doing hard work. An awful lot of them are immigrants, and a lot of those are undocumented.
Nice rant.  Of course, my post made no claims about illegal immigrant criminality or even what I thought of the news coverage. 

It is interesting that you're so confident that illegal immigrants are less violent when there are not good statistics on it.  I'd posit that there is significant underreporting of crimes by illegals because a lot of their victims are other illegals who are unlikely to go to the police.   

No reason to debate immigration.  Legal, controlled immigration is good.  Illegal, uncontrolled immigration is not. 

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I live in Iowa in a small town south of Des Moines of about 10,000 people. My wife grew up in an Iowa town of about 500 people that is an hour away from Brooklyn. She's a runner. She runs all the time. She ran growing up on her farm dirt roads. She runs today in town.

This story is just ... sad.

Building it into a narrative about illegal immigration seems wrong. It makes we want to say, "Too soon."

This speaks far more about the brokenness of this world and the brokenness of humanity than it does about a political issue.  It's not the way things are meant to be.

I can only process this in two ways: 1) setting up safety measures with my wife (and in the future my daughters) when she runs, and 2) my faith, which tells me that one day, God is going to make all things right and bring absolute justice for this kind of brokenness.

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It is interesting that you're so confident that illegal immigrants are less violent when there are not good statistics on it.  I'd posit that there is significant underreporting of crimes by illegals because a lot of their victims are other illegals who are unlikely to go to the police.   

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