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Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2018, 04:30:15 PM »

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I have a lot of family in law enforcement. Do you know what their number one complaint is? How bad things are on the streets of the cities they serve. I guess they are saying America could use some improvement, especially in urban areas.

Should I tell them they are disrespecting people who protect this country even though they are protecting this country? Also, a couple of them are staunch republicans. Not Trumpists, but republicans.

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2018, 04:30:15 PM »

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Works for me. Somebody should put this quote, along with a few others — bitter clingers, deplorables, etc. — into a political ad and run it over and over in Middle America before the mid-terms.

Follow that up with Democrat quotes advocating socialism.

Finish it off with a third Willie Horton type ad regarding immigration.

Red wave.


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Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2018, 04:34:55 PM »

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Works for me. Somebody should put this quote, along with a few others — bitter clingers, deplorables, etc. — into a political ad and run it over and over in Middle America before the mid-terms.

Follow that up with Democrat quotes advocating socialism.

Finish it off with a third Willie Horton type ad regarding immigration.

Red wave.
Meh. Most of middle America outside of cities are republican. Not really going to have much of an effect. Just like democratic ads of Trump lies will play in democratic states and really have no effect. But, yeah, those things are going to happen anyway.

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2018, 04:41:06 PM »

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Works for me. Somebody should put this quote, along with a few others — bitter clingers, deplorables, etc. — into a political ad and run it over and over in Middle America before the mid-terms.

Follow that up with Democrat quotes advocating socialism.

Finish it off with a third Willie Horton type ad regarding immigration.

Red wave.
Meh. Most of middle America outside of cities are republican. Not really going to have much of an effect. Just like democratic ads of Trump lies will play in democratic states and really have no effect. But, yeah, those things are going to happen anyway.

It's more of a get out the vote thing.  Republicans need something to counter the anti-Trump enthusiasm.  Self-inflicted wounds tend to play very well, way better than policy.

While my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it will be the playbook.  I would assume we see an unprecedented number of negative ads this year. 


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Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2018, 04:50:57 PM »

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Works for me. Somebody should put this quote, along with a few others — bitter clingers, deplorables, etc. — into a political ad and run it over and over in Middle America before the mid-terms.

Follow that up with Democrat quotes advocating socialism.

Finish it off with a third Willie Horton type ad regarding immigration.

Red wave.
Meh. Most of middle America outside of cities are republican. Not really going to have much of an effect. Just like democratic ads of Trump lies will play in democratic states and really have no effect. But, yeah, those things are going to happen anyway.

It's more of a get out the vote thing.  Republicans need something to counter the anti-Trump enthusiasm.  Self-inflicted wounds tend to play very well, way better than policy.

While my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it will be the playbook.  I would assume we see an unprecedented number of negative ads this year.
I saw a democratic ad on one of the Boston stations during the news the other day. Yup. Negative politics at its best. Ugh. I hate watching tv and seeing that crap. The last few presidential elections have just been awful that way and worn me out.

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2018, 05:50:15 PM »

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Works for me. Somebody should put this quote, along with a few others — bitter clingers, deplorables, etc. — into a political ad and run it over and over in Middle America before the mid-terms.

Follow that up with Democrat quotes advocating socialism.

Finish it off with a third Willie Horton type ad regarding immigration.

Red wave.
Meh. Most of middle America outside of cities are republican. Not really going to have much of an effect. Just like democratic ads of Trump lies will play in democratic states and really have no effect. But, yeah, those things are going to happen anyway.

It's more of a get out the vote thing.  Republicans need something to counter the anti-Trump enthusiasm.  Self-inflicted wounds tend to play very well, way better than policy.

While my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it will be the playbook.  I would assume we see an unprecedented number of negative ads this year.

I'm not sure that's possible.

In raw numbers, or as a percentage of ads?  There a Shirley people who actually count. Got to have something for sociology interns to do I guess.

Things have always been nasty, and often personal, and occasionally both. DJT seems to go all-in in any direction he goes at the moment, so quite frankly I don't think he has it in him to run what many might agree would be a respectable, positive campaign. If he has an opponent, regardless of who it is or what they've done, St. Francis himself, Trump would show not a hint of gentlemanly respect.

In any case, though, yeah Cuomo is an idiot. That doesn't make the point he so inelegantly attempted to express incorrect. He's just another NY politician that thinks, since NY is the center of the universe, that they should naturally be a national figure. Glad to see him burn out quick.

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2018, 06:00:05 PM »

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Really dumb thing to say.  I am not going to defend it.  I think it will hurt Cuomo personally in any future political aspirations he may have but I don't think it will hurt the democrats in general in the congressional/senate elections.

It is easy for any Dem. candidate to simply say I disagree with Gov. Cuomo.  So what.  Maybe some NY democrats will have to try and support him but no one else does.  Now the republicans are stuck with Trump across the board.  To win the primary, they had to embrace Trump lock, stock, and barrel.  He will hurt those candidates in a general election.

Do you agree with President Trump when he says all immigrants are rapists.  Do you support the Mueller investigation.  Do you, like Trump, believe Putin when he denies meddling with elections.  Do you think Manafort should be pardoned?  And on and on.

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2018, 06:08:57 PM »

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Mr. Cuomo was never that great.
Everyone wants truth on his side, not everyone wants to be on the side of truth.

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2018, 06:52:51 PM »

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Gotta say I really appreciated the responses here. It did make me feel good about America's chances going forward. You all enjoy your single TP. Now if I can just not log on twitter.....

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Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2018, 07:18:51 PM »

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Really dumb thing to say.  I am not going to defend it.  I think it will hurt Cuomo personally in any future political aspirations he may have but I don't think it will hurt the democrats in general in the congressional/senate elections.

It is easy for any Dem. candidate to simply say I disagree with Gov. Cuomo.  So what.  Maybe some NY democrats will have to try and support him but no one else does.  Now the republicans are stuck with Trump across the board.  To win the primary, they had to embrace Trump lock, stock, and barrel.  He will hurt those candidates in a general election.

Do you agree with President Trump when he says all immigrants are rapists.  Do you support the Mueller investigation.  Do you, like Trump, believe Putin when he denies meddling with elections.  Do you think Manafort should be pardoned?  And on and on.
Yep.  That's at the top of the list of things American politicians should not say.  Easy sound bite for your opponents.  What he should have said is:  "America is the greatest country in the world but we can and should do a lot better."  Then go on to discuss the improvements that can be made to make America even greater. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2018, 08:37:59 PM »

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Really dumb thing to say.  I am not going to defend it.  I think it will hurt Cuomo personally in any future political aspirations he may have but I don't think it will hurt the democrats in general in the congressional/senate elections.

It is easy for any Dem. candidate to simply say I disagree with Gov. Cuomo.  So what.  Maybe some NY democrats will have to try and support him but no one else does.  Now the republicans are stuck with Trump across the board.  To win the primary, they had to embrace Trump lock, stock, and barrel.  He will hurt those candidates in a general election.

Do you agree with President Trump when he says all immigrants are rapists.  Do you support the Mueller investigation.  Do you, like Trump, believe Putin when he denies meddling with elections.  Do you think Manafort should be pardoned?  And on and on.
Yep.  That's at the top of the list of things American politicians should not say.  Easy sound bite for your opponents.  What he should have said is:  "America is the greatest country in the world but we can and should do a lot better."  Then go on to discuss the improvements that can be made to make America even greater. 
thought the same thing.  there's ways to say things and then there's ways to say things.

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2018, 09:03:10 PM »

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The plain and simple truth is that Trump’s MAGA phrase is a dog whistle for make America white again. And if you are white, as many of us are here, maybe America was great in the past for you. But it also wasn’t for a lot of people.

And as i’m sitting in Vietnam right now after just visiting the War Museum, I can tell you America has actively gone out of its way to make itself pretty terrible in the not so recent past.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2018, 09:20:03 PM »

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The plain and simple truth is that Trump’s MAGA phrase is a dog whistle for make America white again. And if you are white, as many of us are here, maybe America was great in the past for you. But it also wasn’t for a lot of people.

And as i’m sitting in Vietnam right now after just visiting the War Museum, I can tell you America has actively gone out of its way to make itself pretty terrible in the not so recent past.
War is always terrible but sometimes necessary.  The Soviet Union, North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, etc weren't the good guys in the Cold War. 

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2018, 09:36:03 PM »

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Did the great Cuomo say what country was great?

Re: Gov. Andrew Cuomo Say American Was Never that Great!
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2018, 09:37:27 PM »

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Cuomo stupidly said what he did rather than prefacing his remarks with America is great but.....

But, if you look at the Trump slogan of Make America Great Again, isn't he saying America isn't great now?