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Trump revokes Brennan's security clearance
« on: August 15, 2018, 06:44:51 PM »

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In yet another chilling display of pettiness out of the oval office:

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17693606/trump-john-brennan-security-clearance

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Re: Trump revokes Brennan's security clearance
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2018, 07:13:58 PM »

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In yet another chilling display of pettiness out of the oval office:

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17693606/trump-john-brennan-security-clearance

Complete dumb political move to distract / change the subject from Russia investigation, Manafort Trial, Omarosa N-word allegations.  So when there so many security issues around the world, getting rid of another resource that can give context to the current issues doesn't help.  This doesn't make us more safe, it actually makes us less safe.  It has been historically helpful to have past security leaders give advice to the current administration.  But Trump knows better lol...this is so embarrassing.

White house didn't give any evidence of Brennan mis-using security information.  The thing is this isn't going to stop Brennan from being critical of Trump.  This is a lose / lose for everyone.

Re: Trump revokes Brennan's security clearance
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2018, 07:33:51 PM »

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People should be concerned that the list of names that were warned that their clearances may be revoked as well, are all people that have been critical of Trump. So basicly, Trump is also sending a message to others in government that if you are going to voice your opinion that you don't agree with Trump, you will be replaced and your security clearances revoked.

This is clearly trying to suppress government employees' 1st amendment rights. Its just another move to create division, deceive the populace, and consolidate power under Trump in the executive branch. This move is unprecedented. Presidents just do not get involved in the revoke of former government employees' clearances.

Re: Trump revokes Brennan's security clearance
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2018, 07:43:42 PM »

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I donít mind those who have their clearance revoked for cause.

And, Iíd be fine revoking everyoneís clearance one year after leaving government service.

I donít like seeing it as a tool used against vocal critics, though.


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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2018, 07:54:03 PM »

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I donít mind those who have their clearance revoked for cause.

And, Iíd be fine revoking everyoneís clearance one year after leaving government service.

I donít like seeing it as a tool used against vocal critics, though.

For Brennan, there hasn't been any evidence / any cause, or at least I haven't seen any.  I think you are saying the same thing.  But I think 1 year seems too short of a transition period in general.

I would think it would benefit any current administration to be able to get historical background directly from the source.  If those leaders loose that security clearance the current admin people can't discuss those issues with them. 

Imagine another 9/11, in a crisis I would rather have people be able to talk to each other so that the decision makers have all the best information they can.

The current congress needs to step in and do something about our dictator / president.

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I wonder if Michael Flynn lost his security clearance. Now there is a guy that probably deserves to lose his clearance.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2018, 08:00:15 PM »

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I wonder if Michael Flynn lost his security clearance. Now there is a guy that probably deserves to lose his clearance.

It was reported on CNN that he still has his security clearance.   But then I found article that said it was suspended pending a review.  So not really sure...

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2018, 09:33:51 PM »

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I donít mind those who have their clearance revoked for cause.

And, Iíd be fine revoking everyoneís clearance one year after leaving government service.

I donít like seeing it as a tool used against vocal critics, though.
When John Brennan comes out and says Putin might have something on Trump, as if he knows something because he has security clearance. Spreading lies and misinforming the
American people. He misused and gave up his privilege. Being a critic and spewing crap is different.

What you will find is Brennan will be a major player when the Russian Hoax is uncovered.  Brennan will be exposed as having a lot to do with the phony dossier and the FISA warrants. He has been linked to Fusion GPS, Steele, Simpson, Strzok, Ohr(s) , Page, Yates, McCabe, Comey etc...
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I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone -- Area 51 & aliens, JFK assassination, Marisa Tomei's Oscar -- but the depth of collusion from so many different people & places has become too large.

And for the record, I believe:
- Oswald did not act alone
- Tomei's name was not listed on the ballot
- No proof of aliens visiting, because Trump would have told everyone about t

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When John Brennan comes out and says Putin might have something on Trump, as if he knows something because he has security clearance.

Never happened. 

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Spreading lies and misinforming the American people. He misused and gave up his privilege. Being a critic and spewing crap is different.

He didn't spread lies or misinform the American people. Or if he has, I haven't seen it and can't find it.

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What you will find is Brennan will be a major player when the Russian Hoax is uncovered.  Brennan will be exposed as having a lot to do with the phony dossier and the FISA warrants. He has been linked to Fusion GPS, Steele, Simpson, Strzok, Ohr(s) , Page, Yates, McCabe, Comey etc...

I would love to see the sources on this.

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When John Brennan comes out and says Putin might have something on Trump, as if he knows something because he has security clearance.

Never happened. 

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Spreading lies and misinforming the American people. He misused and gave up his privilege. Being a critic and spewing crap is different.

He didn't spread lies or misinform the American people. Or if he has, I haven't seen it and can't find it.

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What you will find is Brennan will be a major player when the Russian Hoax is uncovered.  Brennan will be exposed as having a lot to do with the phony dossier and the FISA warrants. He has been linked to Fusion GPS, Steele, Simpson, Strzok, Ohr(s) , Page, Yates, McCabe, Comey etc...

I would love to see the sources on this.
Only place you will find that info is at some far right wing conspiracy links. Especially since the names he gave were the same names Sanders stated might also have their security clearances revoked
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Re: Trump revokes Brennan's security clearance
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2018, 10:12:17 AM »

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A general question: is there any point at which a critic becomes so vocal that they become compromised, and therefore should lose clearance?

I would think that fired employees would lose clearance. To me thatís common sense.

And, anybody leaking secure material should lose their clearance.

What if Brennan went beyond criticism to imply that he had inside information, and without revealing it, criticized the President? Something like, ďIíve seen some of the stuff heís doing in North Korea, and he could get millions killedĒ?

In this instance Trump seems petty and is further poisoning the political well, but I think itís interesting to explore whatís appropriate in a non-Trumpian context.

Itís probably good to know what ďsecurity clearance ď means, too. Arenít their different levels? Might it make sense to just reduce, rather than eliminate, somebodyís access?


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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2018, 10:12:27 AM »

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When John Brennan comes out and says Putin might have something on Trump, as if he knows something because he has security clearance.

Never happened. 

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Spreading lies and misinforming the American people. He misused and gave up his privilege. Being a critic and spewing crap is different.

He didn't spread lies or misinform the American people. Or if he has, I haven't seen it and can't find it.

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What you will find is Brennan will be a major player when the Russian Hoax is uncovered.  Brennan will be exposed as having a lot to do with the phony dossier and the FISA warrants. He has been linked to Fusion GPS, Steele, Simpson, Strzok, Ohr(s) , Page, Yates, McCabe, Comey etc...

I would love to see the sources on this.
Only place you will find that info is at some far right wing conspiracy links. Especially since the names he gave were the same names Sanders stated might also have their security clearances revoked
  so I guess Dan Bongino , a secret service agent who worked under Obama is a far right conspiracy theorist ?

His podcast breaks down all the corruption under the Obama administration,  and Brennan is definitely a big part of it.
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Brennan's response:

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This action is part of a broader effort by Mr. Trump to suppress freedom of speech & punish critics. It should gravely worry all Americans, including intelligence professionals, about the cost of speaking out. My principles are worth far more than clearances. I will not relent.

Also maybe it bears mentioning that 2 hrs before the WH tweeted they were terminating the security clearance, this came out:

https://twitter.com/BLS_gov/status/1029768617985024000

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so I guess Dan Bongino , a secret service agent who worked under Obama is a far right conspiracy theorist ?

Yeah, he's pretty out there. Not at all a reliable source.

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