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Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2018, 06:10:04 PM »

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Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
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Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2018, 09:35:09 PM »

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Hanlen is becoming really overrated. Most of his drills seem perimeter oriented and it's no wonder that a guy like Meyers Leonard, despite being with Hanlen for a couple of years, hasn't improved at all. Hanlen has capitalized by having the good fortune of being associated with some HIGHLY talented guys like Embiid, Beal, and Tatum. However, would these guys have had a similar growth under a different trainer? Besides Leonard, he's also had David Lee, Clarkson, and Wiggins, but results didn't translate on the court. Not saying Hanlen isn't a good trainer, but he's not doing anything special that other trainers wouldn't. Working with Hanlen isn't really a big deal, so it's best to temper expectations on Smart and Semi.

Where are Grover and Buzz the "shot doctor" nowadays?

Hanlen has been training Tatum since the latter was 14. Every time you praise Tatum's advanced footwork and uncannily-advanced skills, you are praising Hanlen's training regime. I followed the Timberwolves closely after they drafted Wiggins. Wiggins went to Hanlen before his rookie and sophomore year (when he made a huge step forward shooting-wise), but he stopped going before his third year (during which he stagnated developmmentally).

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2018, 08:30:48 AM »

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Hanlen is becoming really overrated. Most of his drills seem perimeter oriented and it's no wonder that a guy like Meyers Leonard, despite being with Hanlen for a couple of years, hasn't improved at all. Hanlen has capitalized by having the good fortune of being associated with some HIGHLY talented guys like Embiid, Beal, and Tatum. However, would these guys have had a similar growth under a different trainer? Besides Leonard, he's also had David Lee, Clarkson, and Wiggins, but results didn't translate on the court. Not saying Hanlen isn't a good trainer, but he's not doing anything special that other trainers wouldn't. Working with Hanlen isn't really a big deal, so it's best to temper expectations on Smart and Semi.

Where are Grover and Buzz the "shot doctor" nowadays?

Hanlen has been training Tatum since the latter was 14. Every time you praise Tatum's advanced footwork and uncannily-advanced skills, you are praising Hanlen's training regime. I followed the Timberwolves closely after they drafted Wiggins. Wiggins went to Hanlen before his rookie and sophomore year (when he made a huge step forward shooting-wise), but he stopped going before his third year (during which he stagnated developmmentally).

Crediting Hanlen with Tatum's footwork discredits the latter's immense talent. Some players are just naturally gifted, be it as passers, shooters, having footwork, etc. So it's quite possible that Tatum would've had the same footwork under any decent training program. Now, if all Hanlen's clients would demonstrate really high level footwork, or least improve considerably in this area, then an argument could be made that he's aiding that development with specific techniques not utilized by others.

As for Wiggins if only what you say were actually true. Because his 3 PT shooting numbers indicate that he improved AFTER he stopped working out with Hanlen, while his FG% true shooting % and eFG% resulted in basically no change. So the impact Hanlen had on Wiggins, a player that has loads of natural talent, was practically null despite your claims.

With Hanlen (year 1 & year 2)  vs  Without Hanlen (year 3 & year 4)

FG%   43.7  45.9                                45.2  43.8
3PT%  31.0  30.0                               35.6  33.1
eFG%  45.4  48.1                               48.4  48.1
TS%    51.7  54.3                               53.4  50.5

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2018, 10:54:43 AM »

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Imagine the bitterness that fuels the discrediting of an obviously competent trainer.It seems that Drew has the respect on young NBA players and many others.
To use Wiggins as an example and focus on year 3 and 4 -as whatever he has done previously has not stayed with him or been aided by getting comfortable and stronger.
If Hanlen trained Tatum from 14 it has paid off whether Jason is a natural or not.
The fact that he is outrageously busy  and is respected by NBA players.Recently he has attracted Marcus and Hayward this speaks volumes.Everybody has their favorites or for specifics.Kyrie has a genius for his ball handling training out of NYC they are mesmerizing.
The fact is you are in no position to judge,have no personal experience,never spoken to his clients or even seen a full workout.

Oh! Yeah! You have your right to express your opinion but it's run thru a poisonous equation  laced with envy as you attempt to control peoples joy.Like a playground bully that hasn't got any game.
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« Last Edit: August 11, 2018, 12:06:19 PM by rollie mass »

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2018, 11:42:46 AM »

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Hanlen is becoming really overrated. Most of his drills seem perimeter oriented and it's no wonder that a guy like Meyers Leonard, despite being with Hanlen for a couple of years, hasn't improved at all. Hanlen has capitalized by having the good fortune of being associated with some HIGHLY talented guys like Embiid, Beal, and Tatum. However, would these guys have had a similar growth under a different trainer? Besides Leonard, he's also had David Lee, Clarkson, and Wiggins, but results didn't translate on the court. Not saying Hanlen isn't a good trainer, but he's not doing anything special that other trainers wouldn't. Working with Hanlen isn't really a big deal, so it's best to temper expectations on Smart and Semi.

Where are Grover and Buzz the "shot doctor" nowadays?

Hanlen has been training Tatum since the latter was 14. Every time you praise Tatum's advanced footwork and uncannily-advanced skills, you are praising Hanlen's training regime. I followed the Timberwolves closely after they drafted Wiggins. Wiggins went to Hanlen before his rookie and sophomore year (when he made a huge step forward shooting-wise), but he stopped going before his third year (during which he stagnated developmmentally).

Crediting Hanlen with Tatum's footwork discredits the latter's immense talent. Some players are just naturally gifted, be it as passers, shooters, having footwork, etc. So it's quite possible that Tatum would've had the same footwork under any decent training program. Now, if all Hanlen's clients would demonstrate really high level footwork, or least improve considerably in this area, then an argument could be made that he's aiding that development with specific techniques not utilized by others.

As for Wiggins if only what you say were actually true. Because his 3 PT shooting numbers indicate that he improved AFTER he stopped working out with Hanlen, while his FG% true shooting % and eFG% resulted in basically no change. So the impact Hanlen had on Wiggins, a player that has loads of natural talent, was practically null despite your claims.

With Hanlen (year 1 & year 2)  vs  Without Hanlen (year 3 & year 4)

FG%   43.7  45.9                                45.2  43.8
3PT%  31.0  30.0                               35.6  33.1
eFG%  45.4  48.1                               48.4  48.1
TS%    51.7  54.3                               53.4  50.5
Why are you counting the 3rd season as "without Hanlin"?  Here's a Pure Sweat video from October 2016 on Wiggins.  So Wiggins was still with Hanlin the offseason before his 3rd season.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMkSRG1HRs 

Hanlin clearly provides much better than decent training.  NBA players wouldn't be flocking to him and Tatum wouldn't have been with him for 5+ years if Hanlin just provided decent training. 

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »

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Hanlen is becoming really overrated. Most of his drills seem perimeter oriented and it's no wonder that a guy like Meyers Leonard, despite being with Hanlen for a couple of years, hasn't improved at all. Hanlen has capitalized by having the good fortune of being associated with some HIGHLY talented guys like Embiid, Beal, and Tatum. However, would these guys have had a similar growth under a different trainer? Besides Leonard, he's also had David Lee, Clarkson, and Wiggins, but results didn't translate on the court. Not saying Hanlen isn't a good trainer, but he's not doing anything special that other trainers wouldn't. Working with Hanlen isn't really a big deal, so it's best to temper expectations on Smart and Semi.

Where are Grover and Buzz the "shot doctor" nowadays?

Hanlen has been training Tatum since the latter was 14. Every time you praise Tatum's advanced footwork and uncannily-advanced skills, you are praising Hanlen's training regime. I followed the Timberwolves closely after they drafted Wiggins. Wiggins went to Hanlen before his rookie and sophomore year (when he made a huge step forward shooting-wise), but he stopped going before his third year (during which he stagnated developmmentally).

Crediting Hanlen with Tatum's footwork discredits the latter's immense talent. Some players are just naturally gifted, be it as passers, shooters, having footwork, etc. So it's quite possible that Tatum would've had the same footwork under any decent training program. Now, if all Hanlen's clients would demonstrate really high level footwork, or least improve considerably in this area, then an argument could be made that he's aiding that development with specific techniques not utilized by others.

As for Wiggins if only what you say were actually true. Because his 3 PT shooting numbers indicate that he improved AFTER he stopped working out with Hanlen, while his FG% true shooting % and eFG% resulted in basically no change. So the impact Hanlen had on Wiggins, a player that has loads of natural talent, was practically null despite your claims.

With Hanlen (year 1 & year 2)  vs  Without Hanlen (year 3 & year 4)

FG%   43.7  45.9                                45.2  43.8
3PT%  31.0  30.0                               35.6  33.1
eFG%  45.4  48.1                               48.4  48.1
TS%    51.7  54.3                               53.4  50.5
Why are you counting the 3rd season as "without Hanlin"?  Here's a Pure Sweat video from October 2016 on Wiggins.  So Wiggins was still with Hanlin the offseason before his 3rd season.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMkSRG1HRs 

Hanlin clearly provides much better than decent training.  NBA players wouldn't be flocking to him and Tatum wouldn't have been with him for 5+ years if Hanlin just provided decent training.

I was basing it off the poster above. Regardless, I don't think Wiggins' biggest fan would have trouble admitting that he's barely improved during his first 4 seasons in the NBA. Despite being really talented, really young, and having been under Hanlen for 3 years.

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2018, 12:42:41 PM »

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Imagine the bitterness that fuels the discrediting of an obviously competent trainer.It seems that Drew has the respect on young NBA players and many others.
To use Wiggins as an example and focus on year 3 and 4 -as whatever he has done previously has not stayed with him or been aided by getting comfortable and stronger.
If Hanlen trained Tatum from 14 it has paid off whether Jason is a natural or not.
The fact that he is outrageously busy  and is respected by NBA players.Recently he has attracted Marcus and Hayward this speaks volumes.Everybody has their favorites or for specifics.Kyrie has a genius for his ball handling training out of NYC they are mesmerizing.
The fact is you are in no position to judge,have no personal experience,never spoken to his clients or even seen a full workout.

Oh! Yeah! You have your right to express your opinion but it's run thru a poisonous equation  laced with envy as you attempt to control peoples joy.Like a playground bully that hasn't got any game.
.That is my opinion

It's almost as you don't understand what you're reading and simply resort to passive aggressive responses based on whatever narrative fits your agenda.

I do think Hanlen is probably a good trainer (I say "probably" because just like you I have have no personal experience with him, never spoken to his clients, or seen a full workout), but he's not doing anything different on-the-court than any other credible trainer is. It's all the same type of drills. What he has going for him is that he promotes his product more than anyone else does. Trainers come and go. It happens in all sports. They'll be another Hanlen down the road that'll latch himself with another player or two and then he'll start gaining notoriety.

The envy part is really funny, but confusing. I guess you think I want to be Hanlen and train players and live 24 hours a day for basketball. Sorry, but I have no interest in that whatsoever. Your life may revolve around basketball, which maybe the reason that you get so defensive, but thankfully it's only one of many things that interest me as far as hobbies go.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2018, 12:48:26 PM by Eddie20 »

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2018, 12:49:49 PM »

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Hanlen is becoming really overrated. Most of his drills seem perimeter oriented and it's no wonder that a guy like Meyers Leonard, despite being with Hanlen for a couple of years, hasn't improved at all. Hanlen has capitalized by having the good fortune of being associated with some HIGHLY talented guys like Embiid, Beal, and Tatum. However, would these guys have had a similar growth under a different trainer? Besides Leonard, he's also had David Lee, Clarkson, and Wiggins, but results didn't translate on the court. Not saying Hanlen isn't a good trainer, but he's not doing anything special that other trainers wouldn't. Working with Hanlen isn't really a big deal, so it's best to temper expectations on Smart and Semi.

Where are Grover and Buzz the "shot doctor" nowadays?

Hanlen has been training Tatum since the latter was 14. Every time you praise Tatum's advanced footwork and uncannily-advanced skills, you are praising Hanlen's training regime. I followed the Timberwolves closely after they drafted Wiggins. Wiggins went to Hanlen before his rookie and sophomore year (when he made a huge step forward shooting-wise), but he stopped going before his third year (during which he stagnated developmmentally).

Crediting Hanlen with Tatum's footwork discredits the latter's immense talent. Some players are just naturally gifted, be it as passers, shooters, having footwork, etc. So it's quite possible that Tatum would've had the same footwork under any decent training program. Now, if all Hanlen's clients would demonstrate really high level footwork, or least improve considerably in this area, then an argument could be made that he's aiding that development with specific techniques not utilized by others.

As for Wiggins if only what you say were actually true. Because his 3 PT shooting numbers indicate that he improved AFTER he stopped working out with Hanlen, while his FG% true shooting % and eFG% resulted in basically no change. So the impact Hanlen had on Wiggins, a player that has loads of natural talent, was practically null despite your claims.

With Hanlen (year 1 & year 2)  vs  Without Hanlen (year 3 & year 4)

FG%   43.7  45.9                                45.2  43.8
3PT%  31.0  30.0                               35.6  33.1
eFG%  45.4  48.1                               48.4  48.1
TS%    51.7  54.3                               53.4  50.5
Why are you counting the 3rd season as "without Hanlin"?  Here's a Pure Sweat video from October 2016 on Wiggins.  So Wiggins was still with Hanlin the offseason before his 3rd season.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJMkSRG1HRs 

Hanlin clearly provides much better than decent training.  NBA players wouldn't be flocking to him and Tatum wouldn't have been with him for 5+ years if Hanlin just provided decent training.

I was basing it off the poster above. Regardless, I don't think Wiggins' biggest fan would have trouble admitting that he's barely improved during his first 4 seasons in the NBA. Despite being really talented, really young, and having been under Hanlen for 3 years.
Wiggins is still a poor defender even though he's played for Thibs a couple seasons.  To a large degree player development is on the player himself (i.e. his talents and limitations, work effort, learning aptitude, attitude, personality, etc.).  A great trainer isn't going to have great success with every player he trains.   

Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2018, 01:16:04 PM »

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-EDDIE-You were ordered off  topics that i post as you are baiting AGAIN-Now your a expert on trainers from what some PR videos.


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Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2018, 01:23:14 PM »

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This is the current top running feud on the board.

What were past top running feuds on the board?

there is no feud. it is bs skyscreaming and allegations, nothing more. let's move on. ;)
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Re: Unseen hours @ Pure Sweat episode 11
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2018, 01:50:52 PM »

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This is the current top running feud on the board.

What were past top running feuds on the board?

there is no feud. it is bs skyscreaming and allegations, nothing more. let's move on. ;)

This is nothing, were any of you around for the huge Rondo fights / feuds?  Lotta locked threads during that time lol...