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Re: Paul Manafort bank and tax fraud trial
« Reply #90 on: August 14, 2018, 01:09:09 PM »

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Lost in all the other Trump fiasco news....

Manafort's defense team rested its case this morning without calling any witnesses and Manafort declined to testify.  Probably a good call by him, but it won't likely matter as the evidence against him is overwhelming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/14/paul-manafort-trial-day-11-live-coverage/?utm_term=.39ea949e8a74

His next trial begins in Washington (mid sept) where he will face 'charges of conspiring against the U.S., conspiring to launder money, and failing to register as an agent of a foreign power'.  Maybe we will get some more insight to the nagging questions about manafort's involvement in the trump campaign and his connections to the russia investigation in that trial.

Either way at this point Manafort seems to be hoping for a pardon. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manaforts-trial-to-open-in-september-in-washington-1519835676


Re: Paul Manafort bank and tax fraud trial
« Reply #91 on: August 14, 2018, 01:16:10 PM »

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Lost in all the other Trump fiasco news....

Manafort's defense team rested its case this morning without calling any witnesses and Manafort declined to testify.  Probably a good call by him, but it won't likely matter as the evidence against him is overwhelming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/14/paul-manafort-trial-day-11-live-coverage/?utm_term=.39ea949e8a74

His next trial begins in Washington (mid sept) where he will face 'charges of conspiring against the U.S., conspiring to launder money, and failing to register as an agent of a foreign power'.  Maybe we will get some more insight to the nagging questions about manafort's involvement in the trump campaign and his connections to the russia investigation in that trial.

Either way at this point Manafort seems to be hoping for a pardon. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manaforts-trial-to-open-in-september-in-washington-1519835676
Had some trouble with the links. Both asked for subscriptions to axcess the articles.

Re: Paul Manafort bank and tax fraud trial
« Reply #92 on: August 14, 2018, 01:27:23 PM »

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Lost in all the other Trump fiasco news....

Manafort's defense team rested its case this morning without calling any witnesses and Manafort declined to testify.  Probably a good call by him, but it won't likely matter as the evidence against him is overwhelming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/14/paul-manafort-trial-day-11-live-coverage/?utm_term=.39ea949e8a74

His next trial begins in Washington (mid sept) where he will face 'charges of conspiring against the U.S., conspiring to launder money, and failing to register as an agent of a foreign power'.  Maybe we will get some more insight to the nagging questions about manafort's involvement in the trump campaign and his connections to the russia investigation in that trial.

Either way at this point Manafort seems to be hoping for a pardon. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manaforts-trial-to-open-in-september-in-washington-1519835676
Had some trouble with the links. Both asked for subscriptions to axcess the articles.
try this link -- not a big article but captures the point
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/08/14/defense-rests-in-manafort-fraud-trial-calling-no-witnesses/23502143/

I don't get the legal plan to not call any witnesses in the face of this barrage of evidence.  must be planning on getting a pardon (which I can't see the justifiable grounds for one) because if he was just going to take a guilty verdict he should have taken a plea bargain.

question I have is if indeed Trump pardons him, what if any reaction would the general public have as well as Congress?

Re: Paul Manafort bank and tax fraud trial
« Reply #93 on: August 14, 2018, 01:32:24 PM »

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Lost in all the other Trump fiasco news....

Manafort's defense team rested its case this morning without calling any witnesses and Manafort declined to testify.  Probably a good call by him, but it won't likely matter as the evidence against him is overwhelming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/14/paul-manafort-trial-day-11-live-coverage/?utm_term=.39ea949e8a74

His next trial begins in Washington (mid sept) where he will face 'charges of conspiring against the U.S., conspiring to launder money, and failing to register as an agent of a foreign power'.  Maybe we will get some more insight to the nagging questions about manafort's involvement in the trump campaign and his connections to the russia investigation in that trial.

Either way at this point Manafort seems to be hoping for a pardon. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manaforts-trial-to-open-in-september-in-washington-1519835676
Had some trouble with the links. Both asked for subscriptions to axcess the articles.

Hmmm, I will try it again with a different site.  Sorry they worked for me.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-rests-its-case-in-manafort-trial-without-calling-any-witnesses/

Sorry I can't find another article similar to the WSJ one.  That had info about Manafort's 2nd trial and even that one was hard to find.  I guess because of the 1st trial no one is reporting about the 2nd one very much right now.

If you want to, try clearing your browswer history.  I can sometimes read WSJ articles if I clear my history. 
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« Reply #94 on: August 14, 2018, 01:51:14 PM »

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I believe both WSJ and WAPO give you access to a certain number of articles for free before they start to ask you to subscribe.   That's probably what is going on with those links.  This is a growing practice with a lot of news sites.

This can result in oddities like being able to reach a link from one client (say, your phone) but not another (say, a laptop) because on one you may have used up your quota.

Sometimes a site will reset the count periodically.  I.E., letting you read, say, 10 articles per month for free before they start to pester you.
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« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2018, 12:22:58 PM »

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Trump today on Manafort while the jury is deliberating Manafort's case...

"I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad," Pres. Trump says. "I think it's a very sad day for our country." "He happens to be a very good person, and I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."

Trump just lies so much.  It isn't a sad day for our country when someone who committed crimes gets prosecuted, he isn't a good person, and 'they' (whomever that is) didn't do anything to him, Manafort did it to himself.  I guess if Trump is planning on pardoning him he needs to set up a false narrative first at the same time as signaling to Manafort not to turn on him.

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« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2018, 12:59:17 PM »

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Trump today on Manafort while the jury is deliberating Manafort's case...

"I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad," Pres. Trump says. "I think it's a very sad day for our country." "He happens to be a very good person, and I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."

Trump just lies so much.  It isn't a sad day for our country when someone who committed crimes gets prosecuted, he isn't a good person, and 'they' (whomever that is) didn't do anything to him, Manafort did it to himself.  I guess if Trump is planning on pardoning him he needs to set up a false narrative first at the same time as signaling to Manafort not to turn on him.

It's also wildly unethical and corrupt for a President to publicly vouch for a criminal defendant while the jury is deliberating (or really at any other point in the trial), especially when that crony could have incriminating information on him.

But more and more of the checks built in to the system are now governed by naked partisan self-interest, and the overwhelming majority of the party barely even pretends to care about corruption or ethics anymore, so the rot continues to spread.

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« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2018, 01:03:42 PM »

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Trump today on Manafort while the jury is deliberating Manafort's case...

"I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad," Pres. Trump says. "I think it's a very sad day for our country." "He happens to be a very good person, and I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."

Trump just lies so much.  It isn't a sad day for our country when someone who committed crimes gets prosecuted, he isn't a good person, and 'they' (whomever that is) didn't do anything to him, Manafort did it to himself.  I guess if Trump is planning on pardoning him he needs to set up a false narrative first at the same time as signaling to Manafort not to turn on him.

It's also wildly unethical and corrupt for a President to publicly vouch for a criminal defendant while the jury is deliberating (or really at any other point in the trial), especially when that crony could have incriminating information on him.


absolutely.  completely unethical.  if Manafort is convicted (likely) and Trump pardons him it would have to be one of the most corrupt actions ever by a sitting president.

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« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2018, 02:18:44 PM »

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Trump today on Manafort while the jury is deliberating Manafort's case...

"I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad," Pres. Trump says. "I think it's a very sad day for our country." "He happens to be a very good person, and I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."

Trump just lies so much.  It isn't a sad day for our country when someone who committed crimes gets prosecuted, he isn't a good person, and 'they' (whomever that is) didn't do anything to him, Manafort did it to himself.  I guess if Trump is planning on pardoning him he needs to set up a false narrative first at the same time as signaling to Manafort not to turn on him.

It's also wildly unethical and corrupt for a President to publicly vouch for a criminal defendant while the jury is deliberating (or really at any other point in the trial), especially when that crony could have incriminating information on him.


absolutely.  completely unethical.  if Manafort is convicted (likely) and Trump pardons him it would have to be one of the most corrupt actions ever by a sitting president.

Or if they don't convict him ... under the cloud of possibly having been influenced by the President's public statements.  That would also not be good.

Any decent executive official should know to not say anything about an active case or trial.

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« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2018, 04:40:13 PM »

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Trump today on Manafort while the jury is deliberating Manafort's case...

"I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad," Pres. Trump says. "I think it's a very sad day for our country." "He happens to be a very good person, and I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."

Trump just lies so much.  It isn't a sad day for our country when someone who committed crimes gets prosecuted, he isn't a good person, and 'they' (whomever that is) didn't do anything to him, Manafort did it to himself.  I guess if Trump is planning on pardoning him he needs to set up a false narrative first at the same time as signaling to Manafort not to turn on him.

It's also wildly unethical and corrupt for a President to publicly vouch for a criminal defendant while the jury is deliberating (or really at any other point in the trial), especially when that crony could have incriminating information on him.


absolutely.  completely unethical.  if Manafort is convicted (likely) and Trump pardons him it would have to be one of the most corrupt actions ever by a sitting president.

and now the response from Manafort's lawyer is...

Manafort attorney Kevin Downing says “it’s great to have the support of the President of the United States”

It just seems like such a blatant informal offer and acceptance of a pardon. 

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« Reply #100 on: August 17, 2018, 06:14:49 PM »

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Now the judge is receiving threats.  Smart move not to release the jurors names. 

https://conservativefiringline.com/fake-news-cnn-others-demand-names-of-manafort-jurors-judge-says-no-cites-threats/
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« Reply #101 on: August 21, 2018, 12:08:53 PM »

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Third day of deliberations.

Are we looking at a split verdict (guilty on some charges, not guilty on others), a hung jury (no unanimous verdict) or a split / hung combo?

I can't imagine he walks on everything, or is convicted on everything.  Juries tend not to spend so much time under those circumstances.


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« Reply #102 on: August 21, 2018, 12:14:52 PM »

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Third day of deliberations.

Are we looking at a split verdict (guilty on some charges, not guilty on others), a hung jury (no unanimous verdict) or a split / hung combo?

I can't imagine he walks on everything, or is convicted on everything.  Juries tend not to spend so much time under those circumstances.

Seems like there's at least one count they can't agree on:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/jury-in-manafort-trial-asks-judge-about-consensus-issue.html
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« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2018, 12:22:50 PM »

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Third day of deliberations.

Are we looking at a split verdict (guilty on some charges, not guilty on others), a hung jury (no unanimous verdict) or a split / hung combo?

I can't imagine he walks on everything, or is convicted on everything.  Juries tend not to spend so much time under those circumstances.

Seems like there's at least one count they can't agree on:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/jury-in-manafort-trial-asks-judge-about-consensus-issue.html

hoping they're close to issuing their verdict now that they understand how to handle that situation.  should be interesting how much each side complains --> expecting a clean sweep of either guilty or not guilty and having to deal with getting something in between.

very curious which count(s) the jury could be split on.

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« Reply #104 on: August 21, 2018, 12:28:04 PM »

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BREAKING NEWS THE MANAFORT JURY IS.....




.... having lunch.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/h_4040c8f982fb5a245ab33434a6a3acd1
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The jury is having lunch

From CNN's Aaron Cooper


The jury is having lunch and will continue to deliberate, Paul Manafort's attorney Kevin Downing told cameras as he exited the courthouse
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