IT asked danny to come back?

[celticsclay]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

[ETNCeltics]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

IMO, he sounds bitter and not humbled by all of this in the least. Teams are concerned about his hip, but even if his hip got a 100% stamp of approval from every team DR in the league, no one is giving him anything resembling the $150 million contract he obviously still feels entitled to.

Having that attitude in our locker room would have been poisonous. Plus, for all his talents as a scorer, he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

I wish him well and hope his hip is 100%, but I'm not shedding crocodile tears for him. Yes, he missed on his big payday, but he's already made $30 million and will likely make a lot more in the coming years. What would be tear-worthy is if the Celtics or some other team guaranteed this guy $150 million.

I'd also be a bit more sympathetic to him if not for his repeated "brinks truck" comments. Even now, he admits his mind was not on winning and basketball....it was on $$$.

[celticsclay]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

IMO, he sounds bitter and not humbled by all of this in the least. Teams are concerned about his hip, but even if his hip got a 100% stamp of approval from every team DR in the league, no one is giving him anything resembling the $150 million contract he obviously still feels entitled to.

Having that attitude in our locker room would have been poisonous. Plus, for all his talents as a scorer, he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

I wish him well and hope his hip is 100%, but I'm not shedding crocodile tears for him. Yes, he missed on his big payday, but he's already made $30 million and will likely make a lot more in the coming years. What would be tear-worthy is if the Celtics or some other team guaranteed this guy $150 million.

I'd also be a bit more sympathetic to him if not for his repeated "brinks truck" comments. Even now, he admits his mind was not on winning and basketball....it was on $$$.

This sounds like he is moving forward but still frustrated he missed on the money. Is that terrible?
"Nothing that I did in the past can be used to get [a new contract]. Everybody else can, but me? I can't. That's been my story. It's never been, 'Oh, let's pay him off what he's done.' That's just what it is. That's the reality. I can't control that. But I can control taking advantage of an opportunity and showing that I can still play at a high level."

[billysan]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

IMO, he sounds bitter and not humbled by all of this in the least. Teams are concerned about his hip, but even if his hip got a 100% stamp of approval from every team DR in the league, no one is giving him anything resembling the $150 million contract he obviously still feels entitled to.

Having that attitude in our locker room would have been poisonous. Plus, for all his talents as a scorer, he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

I wish him well and hope his hip is 100%, but I'm not shedding crocodile tears for him. Yes, he missed on his big payday, but he's already made $30 million and will likely make a lot more in the coming years. What would be tear-worthy is if the Celtics or some other team guaranteed this guy $150 million.

I'd also be a bit more sympathetic to him if not for his repeated "brinks truck" comments. Even now, he admits his mind was not on winning and basketball....it was on $$$.

This sounds like he is moving forward but still frustrated he missed on the money. Is that terrible?
"Nothing that I did in the past can be used to get [a new contract]. Everybody else can, but me? I can't. That's been my story. It's never been, 'Oh, let's pay him off what he's done.' That's just what it is. That's the reality. I can't control that. But I can control taking advantage of an opportunity and showing that I can still play at a high level."

No one will get paid for what they did in the past unless there is a reasonable expectation that he can do it again in the future. He as to prove he can do it like he said by playing at a high level going forward.

[csfansince60s]

It's obvious that IT's appreciation for Boston never went away.  He will always be one of my favorites.   

People criticize IT for a lack of "self awareness" but I think he understands far more than what he projects in interviews.  Behind the bitter comments is a guy who just wants the opportunity to be paid on the merits of his per-injury contributions.       

I can see a player feeling this way, and wanting to be paid/rewarded for past contributions. However, the team needs to give contracts to players based on their current/future contributions on and off the court.

.............. ... My main point is that IT's bitterness is largely due to regret over how much money he cost himself by playing injured.  He lost a stable situation AND a ton of money. 

I only bring these things up because there's a large segment of Celtics fans who have bashed IT for every negative comment, all while ignoring the overwhelming positives that he brought to the franchise.  I guess I don't really care about the petty comments because they are rooted in genuine frustration.

 

TP!

IT put us back on the map as a relevant team and as an attraction for free agents. One could argue that without IT, Horford doesn’t come here.

IT gave up his body literally and figuratively for our franchise. He gave his huge heart (never mind his hip, those teeth that he lost and played through and playing for the team through chis sister’s death) to the franchise, his teammates, us fans and the City of Boston.

IT will always be one of my top 5 favorite Celtics of all time in my 58 years of following this team. The guy gets a pass from me on any bitterness that he might have. He’s earned it.

[Moranis]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

"You can always play the what-if game, but man, I've been F'd over so many times. But, of course, I think about it. I'm human,"

So he is blaming everyone else and says he has been F'd over so many times.  that doesn't sound like someone that gets it.  That doesn't sound like someone that has learned or grown from his past.  That sounds like someone that is incredibly bitter about what has happened to him.

Same thing with this whole sequence

"If I didn't play in the playoffs, I'd be OK," Thomas says. "I'd be getting paid. I'd be who I am -- who I was. But you couldn't tell me in that moment in time -- with everything I was going through -- that, OK, I should just sit out. I don't think Boston went about it the right way as well.  But at the same time, it was hard for me to sit out. I just lost my sister, one of the closest people in my life. Basketball was the only thing that was going to help me out. I played until I literally couldn't play anymore. And that was not a good business decision if I was looking in the long term, but I was looking in the 'right now.' That's just what it was.  They probably would've traded me anyway. But I would've been in position to show my worth, and last year I was never in position to show my worth."

He just sounds bitter and apparently hasn't learned that his mouth is his biggest problem.


Here he seems to be in a fantasy land not based in reality.

"I understand it, but I don't accept it," Thomas says. "So many other people get injured and get chance after chance again. They get the big break. They get the big money -- no matter if they're injured. There's a lot of people out there who've gotten serious injuries and gotten paid still. In my circumstance, it was bad timing. You've never seen a little guy like me get paid big dollars. Never seen it in the NBA. People know that I've earned and deserved the max contract, and that's the only reason why I didn't get paid what I deserved. Because I got injured. I get that. The biggest thing for me was to get to the best opportunity for me this summer and show that I'm healthy."

[86MaxwellSmart]

If he hadn't hurt his hip---he would have gotten a $20Million a year deal, just not from Boston.

[bknova]

It's obvious that IT's appreciation for Boston never went away.  He will always be one of my favorites.   

People criticize IT for a lack of "self awareness" but I think he understands far more than what he projects in interviews.  Behind the bitter comments is a guy who just wants the opportunity to be paid on the merits of his per-injury contributions.       

I can see a player feeling this way, and wanting to be paid/rewarded for past contributions. However, the team needs to give contracts to players based on their current/future contributions on and off the court.

.............. ... My main point is that IT's bitterness is largely due to regret over how much money he cost himself by playing injured.  He lost a stable situation AND a ton of money. 

I only bring these things up because there's a large segment of Celtics fans who have bashed IT for every negative comment, all while ignoring the overwhelming positives that he brought to the franchise.  I guess I don't really care about the petty comments because they are rooted in genuine frustration.

 

TP!

IT put us back on the map as a relevant team and as an attraction for free agents. One could argue that without IT, Horford doesn’t come here.

IT gave up his body literally and figuratively for our franchise. He gave his huge heart (never mind his hip, those teeth that he lost and played through and playing for the team through chis sister’s death) to the franchise, his teammates, us fans and the City of Boston.

IT will always be one of my top 5 favorite Celtics of all time in my 58 years of following this team. The guy gets a pass from me on any bitterness that he might have. He’s earned it.

Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Doc Rivers, Danny Ainge, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Banner 17, and Brad Stevens put us back on the map. 

There is some serious overrating of Isaiah Thomas' very brief tenure here.  He didn't create nor resurrect the Boston Celtics.  Brad Stevens made us a destination for free agents.  The love that Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett had for the franchise made us a destination for free agents.  Lets get a bit real here.

[Neurotic Guy]

I am sure (at least I hope) that IT will be able to gain perspective over time.  I don't discount the pain of possibly missing out on $80 Million (give or take), however, there should ultimately be some solace in the fact that he's 29 and has a net worth of between 12 and 24 Million (depending on the source).  And, of course, he still stands to make many more millions over the next 5 years if he stays healthy.   

IT came to Boston and did what a professional basketball player making $6M a year should do -- work his ass off.

[loco_91]

I can't believe fans are criticizing IT for wanting to get paid. He brought tens of millions of dollars of value to this franchise, and he made a huge sacrifice for the team by playing through injury in the playoffs. Then he got traded. "It's a business," we said then. But when he wants the Brinks truck? Then he's putting money ahead of the team.

[celticsclay]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

"You can always play the what-if game, but man, I've been F'd over so many times. But, of course, I think about it. I'm human,"

So he is blaming everyone else and says he has been F'd over so many times.  that doesn't sound like someone that gets it.  That doesn't sound like someone that has learned or grown from his past.  That sounds like someone that is incredibly bitter about what has happened to him.

Same thing with this whole sequence

"If I didn't play in the playoffs, I'd be OK," Thomas says. "I'd be getting paid. I'd be who I am -- who I was. But you couldn't tell me in that moment in time -- with everything I was going through -- that, OK, I should just sit out. I don't think Boston went about it the right way as well.  But at the same time, it was hard for me to sit out. I just lost my sister, one of the closest people in my life. Basketball was the only thing that was going to help me out. I played until I literally couldn't play anymore. And that was not a good business decision if I was looking in the long term, but I was looking in the 'right now.' That's just what it was.  They probably would've traded me anyway. But I would've been in position to show my worth, and last year I was never in position to show my worth."

He just sounds bitter and apparently hasn't learned that his mouth is his biggest problem.


Here he seems to be in a fantasy land not based in reality.

"I understand it, but I don't accept it," Thomas says. "So many other people get injured and get chance after chance again. They get the big break. They get the big money -- no matter if they're injured. There's a lot of people out there who've gotten serious injuries and gotten paid still. In my circumstance, it was bad timing. You've never seen a little guy like me get paid big dollars. Never seen it in the NBA. People know that I've earned and deserved the max contract, and that's the only reason why I didn't get paid what I deserved. Because I got injured. I get that. The biggest thing for me was to get to the best opportunity for me this summer and show that I'm healthy."

I am pretty sure everyone, including you, realizes his hip is his biggest problem.

[bellerephon]

I don't think it's just the money. He was the leader of a team that went to the conference finals. He believes, rightly or wrongly, that he has the talent to lead a team to a championship. He probably realizes that he will likely never get another chance to play that role. That's got to be a bitter pill to swallow. The Celts didn't do anything wrong, but I can understand why he's bitter that he not only lost out on the big paycheck but also the chance to be the leader on a championship contending team.

[No Nickname]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

IMO, he sounds bitter and not humbled by all of this in the least. Teams are concerned about his hip, but even if his hip got a 100% stamp of approval from every team DR in the league, no one is giving him anything resembling the $150 million contract he obviously still feels entitled to.

Having that attitude in our locker room would have been poisonous. Plus, for all his talents as a scorer, he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

I wish him well and hope his hip is 100%, but I'm not shedding crocodile tears for him. Yes, he missed on his big payday, but he's already made $30 million and will likely make a lot more in the coming years. What would be tear-worthy is if the Celtics or some other team guaranteed this guy $150 million.

I'd also be a bit more sympathetic to him if not for his repeated "brinks truck" comments. Even now, he admits his mind was not on winning and basketball....it was on $$$.

This sounds like he is moving forward but still frustrated he missed on the money. Is that terrible?
"Nothing that I did in the past can be used to get [a new contract]. Everybody else can, but me? I can't. That's been my story. It's never been, 'Oh, let's pay him off what he's done.' That's just what it is. That's the reality. I can't control that. But I can control taking advantage of an opportunity and showing that I can still play at a high level."

The thing is he’s so wrong about that. Is DeMarcus Cousins getting paid off what he’s done in the past while he’s also coming off an injury?  I like IT but that’s some sanctimonious bullhockey right there.

[celticsclay]

Reading that whole article Thomas just doesn't get it and he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

It seemed like he gets it now, what was so bad in the article? He probably missed his only opportunity in his career to get that crazy pay check. From 100+ million guaranteed to 2, wouldn't you be upset?

IMO, he sounds bitter and not humbled by all of this in the least. Teams are concerned about his hip, but even if his hip got a 100% stamp of approval from every team DR in the league, no one is giving him anything resembling the $150 million contract he obviously still feels entitled to.

Having that attitude in our locker room would have been poisonous. Plus, for all his talents as a scorer, he's one of the worst defenders in the league.

I wish him well and hope his hip is 100%, but I'm not shedding crocodile tears for him. Yes, he missed on his big payday, but he's already made $30 million and will likely make a lot more in the coming years. What would be tear-worthy is if the Celtics or some other team guaranteed this guy $150 million.

I'd also be a bit more sympathetic to him if not for his repeated "brinks truck" comments. Even now, he admits his mind was not on winning and basketball....it was on $$$.

This sounds like he is moving forward but still frustrated he missed on the money. Is that terrible?
"Nothing that I did in the past can be used to get [a new contract]. Everybody else can, but me? I can't. That's been my story. It's never been, 'Oh, let's pay him off what he's done.' That's just what it is. That's the reality. I can't control that. But I can control taking advantage of an opportunity and showing that I can still play at a high level."

The thing is he’s so wrong about that. Is DeMarcus Cousins getting paid off what he’s done in the past while he’s also coming off an injury?  I like IT but that’s some sanctimonious bullhockey right there.

Cousins is making 4.5 million this year and nobody knows if he will ever be the same player. He is actually currently injured and won't play till at least January. So getting 4.5 million for playing maybe a third of the season. That's definitely pay for past production. Fairly confused by this example

[cons]

people have very different opinions and thats fine

all that aside, if IT ever does come back here in a year or whenever, it would be a totally fun and awesome story. Would make great TV.