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Offline trickybilly

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I guess the re-draft probably looks something like this (I don't want to labour the point, just to say that he probably goes lower than 5 - but that seems fine considering you always have 3 or 4 late first/second rounders who come out of nowhere)..

Embiid
Jokic
Wiggins
Gary Harris
Lavine
Capela
Smart
Gordon
Exum
Nurkic

I guess my feeling is that with rookies, because of the contract scale, notwithstanding bad extensions (ahem, Andrew Wiggins), as long as your high draft pick still goes somewhere in the same range, I think we should call it a hit.

If you look purely at first deal after 4th year, it looks like this

Wiggins
Embiid
Gordon
Parker
Lavine
Harris
Clarkson
Nurkic
TJ Warren
Marcus Smart

(Note: Bogdanovic, Saric, Capela have not been included. Suffice to say that Bogdanovic and Saric will get a higher % increase than Smart did, when they are due up to get paid. I think we can safely say that someone will throw more than Marcus-money at Capela, but maybe not). Also, you need to take into account that the Parker and LaVine deals were unnaturally inflated, possibly the Wiggins deal too, but for the sake of argument, we can say that the market thinks Marcus is somewhere in the 10th-13th best player in that draft.. so is he still a hit pick?

My feeling is that he definitely is because my working theory is that as long as a high draft pick is not a bust, then he is a hit. What's your take?
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I'd have to rank both Nurkic and Gordon ahead of Smart in a redraft.

That's not a knock though.   For a #6 pick to still be considered in the top 10 of his draft class is fine.
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Still bugs me we didnít take Gary Harris instead of James Young at 17.

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Still bugs me we didnít take Gary Harris instead of James Young at 17.

Yeah, Danny couldn't resist a high risk high reward... sometimes it doesn't work out.

Fingers crossed big Bob works out...
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What about Rodney Hood? How does he factor in a re-draft?

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What about Rodney Hood? How does he factor in a re-draft?

Probably about the same place? Maybe lower?
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Celtics would be a worse team with Wiggins or LaVine than Smart. They score more. Theyíre not better.

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Again with the three categories.  Yes or no is enough.

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Again with the three categories.  Yes or no is enough.

Ehhhh... I dunno, I voted Ďkind of.í  And I like Smart.
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Again with the three categories.  Yes or no is enough.

Sorta is the perfect answer. On one hand, we got a solid low end starter at the pick. On the hand, you expect more from a lottery talent.

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Yes. Not every draft pick is going to be a superstar. Some draft picks are glue guys and that is ok. He could have easily ended up being a sullinger type of a player, a guy who shoots too much canít rebound or defend and out of the league after his rookie contract. He isnít though, he is a bonafide nba role player and one of the top 5-10 best defenders in the game 

Every single contending team would love to have smart in their rotation. They donít. We do. Go look at rival forums they hate playing against smart cuz of his pestering defense

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Again with the three categories.  Yes or no is enough.

Sorta is the perfect answer. On one hand, we got a solid low end starter at the pick. On the hand, you expect more from a lottery talent.

same, i voted sort, I don't know how to define "hit", so I assume a hit is someone who is an all-star level player

With that said, Smart isn't the type of player who's a star, but he's no bust, his impact on the court is not measurable on a stat sheet, while he is a poor shooter, i think he runs the offense relatively well, elite defense, hustles and is a very good leader

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Sort of is a complete complete cop out.  Make a choice.  For my part, I voted yes because heís a core part of the team.  You donít have to be a star to be a hit.
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Always difficult to gauge Smart given his unique skill set that goes against the grain of the current NBA. Heíll never be a star, but heís clearly a high-end role player who makes his team better on both sides of the ball, which makes him a hit to me.

I think you can assess this question in two ways: compare Smart to his immediate pick range competition (4 - 8) or via the context of the team.

Heís clearly a hit via the pick range criteria, as I think heís the best of that bunch and fits the needs of our team much better than a Gordon, Exum, Randle, or Stauskas ever could.

As for context, I think of which players I would rather have right now given the context of the current team. And honestly, itís not that many: (1) For sure - Embiid; (2) Probably - Capela, Harris; (3) Maybe - Jokic (not high on him personally). Thatíd put him at 5 at the lowest on a redraft per context and fit for the team, so thatís a hit for me.

Smart is just a perfect fit for this team and is surrounded by ideal-fitting teammates, which makes him a hot for me. And I think Smartís effect on this teamís overall character and passion is also undervalued and something that should be considered.
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Re: So, after all is said and done, is Marcus a "hit" draft pick
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Was Olynyk a hit too?