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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 10:44:31 AM »

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I'm on the fence about him, I like the toughness but I'm not crazy about his offensive game. He often turns into a black hole on offense and doesn't really fit in with the Celt's offensive scheme at times. There are just too many times when he touches the ball where you know he's going to put a shot up whether it's a horrible option or not.

Edit: As I submitted this I realized that I'm currently showing as Marcus Morris in the forum lol.
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 10:46:16 AM »

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I think shedding Yabusele's contract would be my first option, as already mentioned. He'll have to go eventually. I didn't see enough from him in the summer league to think he'll be as good as Semi or as a replacement for Morris once he's gone after this season.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 10:46:19 AM »

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The tax does not happen until the trade deadline We can still get under by trading Yabu then.
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 10:49:47 AM »

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The tax does not happen until the trade deadline We can still get under by trading Yabu then.

Yes, although Yabu is more likely to have value if we trade him prior to his option deadline of October 31st, in case the team taking him on actually wants to give him a chance to develop.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 11:10:32 AM »

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I'm on the fence about him, I like the toughness but I'm not crazy about his offensive game. He often turns into a black hole on offense and doesn't really fit in with the Celt's offensive scheme at times. There are just too many times when he touches the ball where you know he's going to put a shot up whether it's a horrible option or not.

Edit: As I submitted this I realized that I'm currently showing as Marcus Morris in the forum lol.

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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 11:27:57 AM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Perhaps I answered my own question.  According to this article the number would be $123.73 mil.  If that's the case, assuming the other numbers are accurate, we would seem to be in decent shape without having to release anyone?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23957526/nba-sets-1019m-salary-cap-2018-19-season

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2018, 11:33:59 AM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2018, 11:39:37 AM »

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I'm on the fence about him, I like the toughness but I'm not crazy about his offensive game. He often turns into a black hole on offense and doesn't really fit in with the Celt's offensive scheme at times. There are just too many times when he touches the ball where you know he's going to put a shot up whether it's a horrible option or not.

Edit: As I submitted this I realized that I'm currently showing as Marcus Morris in the forum lol.

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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2018, 12:02:55 PM »

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Morris is a bargain contract. Positive value. You telling me the Blazers or Raptors wouldn't be happy to add him with their trade exceptions? They are desperate to reach the next level. There are plenty of teams that could work ways to get him, maybe even sending us a 2nd rounder in return. He is a pretty good player who is great at guarding guys like LeBron. Hiss offense can also win random playoff games. He has VALUE. And we have leverage, we could simply waive Nader and trade Yabs. The Nets etc would probably take a flyer on Yabs. No need to fleece ourselves trading Morris - a useful player with good trade matching ability BTW - in a salary dump.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2018, 12:15:33 PM »

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I'm on the fence about him, I like the toughness but I'm not crazy about his offensive game. He often turns into a black hole on offense and doesn't really fit in with the Celt's offensive scheme at times. There are just too many times when he touches the ball where you know he's going to put a shot up whether it's a horrible option or not.

Edit: As I submitted this I realized that I'm currently showing as Marcus Morris in the forum lol.

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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2018, 12:16:34 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2018, 12:24:13 PM »

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I'm on the fence about him, I like the toughness but I'm not crazy about his offensive game. He often turns into a black hole on offense and doesn't really fit in with the Celt's offensive scheme at times. There are just too many times when he touches the ball where you know he's going to put a shot up whether it's a horrible option or not.

Edit: As I submitted this I realized that I'm currently showing as Marcus Morris in the forum lol.

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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2018, 12:54:59 PM »

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Let me ask again, does anyone know the projected number the team is trying to be under to avoid setting the repeater tax clock?  The team's current salary is $108,230,008 not counting marcus smart at all.  A starting salary around 12 mil would obviously take us to about 120 mil.

Edit:  these totals do not count Wanamaker either, who for some reason is listed at $0.  Not sure what his salary would be?
Luxury Tax Threshold: $123,733,000
Thanks.  So can someone explain why many predict that the Celts will definitely be over the luxury tax if we sign Marcus?  I found out that Wanamaker would only be making a little over 800k so that should leave about 14.5 mil for marcus this year.

Clearly I am missing something?

Although Brad W and Daniel T are actually being paid $838,464 and 1,378,242, they both count as 1,512,601 for LUXURY TAX calculations (different than salary cap calculations).  Also are you remembering to count 92,857 for D Jackson's dead money?

Are you keeping Nader at 1,378,242 or waiving him at a cost of 450,000 and signing J Bird with a lux tax cost of 1,512,601 (actual salary would be smaller)?

Hope this helps a little.....

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2018, 12:56:13 PM »

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https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1019981130815168512

If the Celtics are $3.8 million over the tax line and if they want to get under, then Morris would have to be traded with no salary coming back correct?

Then fill the 15th spot with Bird?  It makes sense for two reasons: why not avoid the tax for one more year, and where will the minutes be for Morris anyway?