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Imagine if Ainge picked bender over brown...
Bender 2018 Summer League Totals:

33pts on 35 field goal attempts
Zero FT attempts in 110 minutes
23.9% TO Rate
Two Steals
Two Blocks

Come on... itís your 3rd year and youíre putting up these numbers against scrubs? Itís no wonder why The suns had the worst record in the league last season. You got players like this on that squad

I donít have josh Jacksonís numbers but he wasnít so hot either. Turnovers galore and bad shooting. Thank you for making Ainge fly across the country for nothing. Lol thx for Tatum

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It's more like the Suns couldn't develop young talent to save their lives.
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It's more like the Suns couldn't develop young talent to save their lives.



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It's more like the Suns couldn't develop young talent to save their lives.
If guys like TJ Warren and Devin Booker hadn't improved every year of their career, then this might be the case.

Considering what Jackson was doing at the end of '17-'18, I wouldn't be worried about summer league performance. Bender is a bit of an unknown though

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Imagine if Ainge picked bender over brown...


It would have been my 'i told you' moment. He was in my mind the second coming of Hezonja but now that looks too optimistic!

I think though that bender in boston wold have been better than he is now (not as good as Brown of course).

Still this kind of comparisons are not fair. Even in this case where there were huge red flags it is not easy to ignore an agile 17-18yo 7ft . We can easily play the internet GM but it is a different  thing to take an actual responsibility especialy when the previous years GMs skipped Giannis because he looked too raw.

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It's more like the Suns couldn't develop young talent to save their lives.



Nah >we developed IT 8)
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Bender .....might be a poor mans KO one day

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Imagine if Ainge picked bender over brown...

Ainge would not have made that mistake.   Because all the signs were out there on Bender if you watched his tape and were honest.   But guys fall for the hype train every year.  Ainge is not usually one of them.   But you could see Bender was not athletic and had little in common with the Porzingas other than height.   His vertical when he was drafted was horrible.  His max vertical was like 27.5" inches.   That is not his standing vertical but his max with a run and for a professional athlete is it very bad.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dragan-Bender-62877/

That told me that he did not have a very good athletic base to grow into and would struggle against NBA athletes because he lacked fast twitch muscles.  He was is also skinny and weak so he could not offset this stuff with strength like some guys can.  Some guys saw this and projected greatness, and they were wrong.

Everyone knows Jackson can't shoot and still can't he is a taller Marcus Smart.

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Dragan Bender played SL?  I thought he would have been close to retirement by now.   ;D   ;D

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It's more like the Suns couldn't develop young talent to save their lives.



Nah >we developed IT 8)

And the Kings. IT spent half a season in Pheonix -- arguably his worst half-season.

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Dragan Bender played SL?  I thought he would have been close to retirement by now.   ;D   ;D

He's showcasing his skills for the Euro and Chinese league scouts.

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I think we have to also look at the Suns player development, or lack thereof, especially last season.  In addition to Bender and Jackson, Chriss looked no better, and TJ Warren stagnated as well.  Thereís a lot wrong with that organization.
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I remember many wanted Bender over Brown....phew, glad we have Danny.

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I think we have to also look at the Suns player development, or lack thereof, especially last season.  In addition to Bender and Jackson, Chriss looked no better, and TJ Warren stagnated as well.  Thereís a lot wrong with that organization.
This is one of the main reasons I'm not sold on Phoenix being any better than last year (or at least appreciably better).  They are just a mess of a franchise

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Imagine if Ainge picked bender over brown...

Ainge would not have made that mistake.   Because all the signs were out there on Bender if you watched his tape and were honest.   But guys fall for the hype train every year.  Ainge is not usually one of them.   But you could see Bender was not athletic and had little in common with the Porzingas other than height.   His vertical when he was drafted was horrible.  His max vertical was like 27.5" inches.   That is not his standing vertical but his max with a run and for a professional athlete is it very bad.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dragan-Bender-62877/

That told me that he did not have a very good athletic base to grow into and would struggle against NBA athletes because he lacked fast twitch muscles.  He was is also skinny and weak so he could not offset this stuff with strength like some guys can.  Some guys saw this and projected greatness, and they were wrong.

Everyone knows Jackson can't shoot and still can't he is a taller Marcus Smart.
Completely agree that Bender being a complete bust was a very likely scenario given everything that was available for us amatuers to see. How professionals didn't see it is beyond me but some agents do a great job of hiding their clients and getting media to hype their clients.

Bender
Exum
Mudiay

All were major hypes in the media that just could not and would not hold up to that hype.