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Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #225 on: July 17, 2018, 10:14:22 PM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
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I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.
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Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2018, 01:03:42 AM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...
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Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2018, 01:28:17 AM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

I was going to say that!

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2018, 01:32:53 AM »

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'I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.' Trump will still not come out and say it was Russia and there is no doubt! Fighting with US intelligence and favoring a foreign enemy is really crazy for a US President.

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2018, 02:54:48 AM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

Quote
::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

Yeah, except that you're completely missing the point, so...

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #230 on: July 18, 2018, 02:58:30 AM »

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'I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.' Trump will still not come out and say it was Russia and there is no doubt! Fighting with US intelligence and favoring a foreign enemy is really crazy for a US President.

I'm not sure that that is the appropriate word to use in this instance, lol ;D.

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #231 on: July 18, 2018, 03:23:00 AM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

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::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

Yeah, except that you're completely missing the point, so...

? I'm pretty sure mmmmm is nailing the point.

Any decrease in state sponsored attacks can most probably be explained away by the chilling effect on dissent that the original state sponsored attacks created.

What do you think the point is?
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Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #232 on: July 18, 2018, 09:13:58 AM »

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Friendly reminder that in addition to political opponents Putin isn't above murdering hundreds of everyday Russian citizens in actual false flag terrorist attacks to push a war and win re-election.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible/

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #233 on: July 18, 2018, 09:46:14 AM »

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Friendly reminder that in addition to political opponents Putin isn't above murdering hundreds of everyday Russian citizens in actual false flag terrorist attacks to push a war and win re-election.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible/

Strange Times Indeed when a rational poster like FwF feels compelled to put up a "reminder: Putin=bad guy" post.

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Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #234 on: July 18, 2018, 09:50:44 AM »

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Friendly reminder that in addition to political opponents Putin isn't above murdering hundreds of everyday Russian citizens in actual false flag terrorist attacks to push a war and win re-election.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible/

Strange Times Indeed when a rational poster like FwF feels compelled to put up a "reminder: Putin=bad guy" post.

It feels much stranger to be talking about false flag terrorist attacks. I felt gross just typing that phrase in earnest but it's as strong a set of evidence as I've ever seen.

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #235 on: July 18, 2018, 12:43:28 PM »

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If this really is the foreign policy version of Charlottesville, he'll tear up the walkback again within a day or two to even more firmly state he believes Putin over America.  Good times.

Update: Welp.

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #236 on: July 18, 2018, 12:46:54 PM »

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'I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.' Trump will still not come out and say it was Russia and there is no doubt! Fighting with US intelligence and favoring a foreign enemy is really crazy for a US President.

I'm not sure that that is the appropriate word to use in this instance, lol ;D.

It seemed spot on! ;D


Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #238 on: July 18, 2018, 02:17:39 PM »

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I can't think of why Putin wouldn't have something on Trump.

Re: 12 Russians indicted for hacking DNC, Clinton/Helsinki Summit
« Reply #239 on: July 18, 2018, 02:49:18 PM »

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For Pelosi, Schumer and Brennan to be discussing Treason is insane. They are lucky they do not live in Russia.  If they talked that way about Putin they would already be dead.  Heck, if they talked that way against George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, they probably would have been hung or put before a firing squad.
[...]

I assume that ...rant... was trolling, but besides that:

Do you honestly think that Thomas Jefferson, aka the guy that rose to the Presidency with a platform opposing the Alien and Sedition Acts, would have had people put to death for speaking against him?

The answer is no.  I can't imagine living in a country where political opposition not only was illegal, but punishable by death.  It's one of the many reasons why we should oppose dictatorships like Putin's.

::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/russia-death-penalty-ruled-unconstitutional/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLJ330478

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/17/chris-wallace-grills-putin-why-do-so-many-your-political-opponents-end-dead

Quote
::) Capital punishment has been outlawed in Russia for some time, now, so...

Yep, and I guess assassin and hitman are not capital punishment there...

It's not the same thing, guys.

They’re not, you’re right.  Capital punishment is sanctioned killing by the state.  What happens in Russia is extrajudicial killing by the state, which is even more chilling.

None of that is lost on me, I assure you, although I think that it's important to point out that these murders are not purely symptomatic of Putin and have, in fact, actually decreased during his years in office.

Well... as have the numbers of his living opponents ... so ...

Yeah, except that you're completely missing the point, so...

? I'm pretty sure mmmmm is nailing the point.

Any decrease in state sponsored attacks can most probably be explained away by the chilling effect on dissent that the original state sponsored attacks created.

What do you think the point is?

That he's turned over a new leaf?  ::)

It's like he's cut back from a pack a day smoking habit to one or two smokes a day?  That sort of thing?

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