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Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #195 on: July 07, 2018, 09:05:01 AM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #196 on: July 07, 2018, 09:47:49 AM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.


These comments are baffling... Are you suggesting that you can discern any improvement/lack of, in Semi's 3 point shooting, in 25 minutes of one summer league game?? Also, you do realize the season ended 4 weeks ago, right? Did you expect some type of incredible jump in his game since then?

I love this blog, but some of these takes are pure nonsense.
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Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #197 on: July 07, 2018, 09:52:25 AM »

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Yabu had seven fouls in 23 minutes. That is ... not good.

He does not know where he’s supposed to be, and although he moves well for a guy who’s 6’8” 280#, he doesn’t move well for an NBA player.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #198 on: July 07, 2018, 10:44:23 AM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.


These comments are baffling... Are you suggesting that you can discern any improvement/lack of, in Semi's 3 point shooting, in 25 minutes of one summer league game?? Also, you do realize the season ended 4 weeks ago, right? Did you expect some type of incredible jump in his game since then?

I love this blog, but some of these takes are pure nonsense.
Thanks for sarcasm, but so sorry your are baffled.  Perhaps I can help you.

I was actually the one who was claiming that Semi looked real good in the 1st game.  Then bellerephon pointed out that we can expect that kind of performance from a guy who started playoff games only a month ago.  So what did I do?  I went back and watched the replays again and saw a concerning issue that explained (at least in part) why an opposing player went off for 40 points.  If you've got a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #199 on: July 07, 2018, 10:56:42 AM »

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good gracious gobs of goo guys and gals. here we are again, yet once more, revisiting something that is obvious to each and everyone here.

SUMMER LEAGUES MEANS NOTHING. each and every year it is loudly proclaimed how useless summer league is in predicting whether a player will be good or not. (whether they will stink is another matter.)

yes, each and every GAME herds of us cbers dispatch players and pass final judgement on young kid after young kid. final. done. finished. kaput. written off. adios muchacho.
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Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #200 on: July 07, 2018, 11:14:10 AM »

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good gracious gobs of goo guys and gals. here we are again, yet once more, revisiting something that is obvious to each and everyone here.

SUMMER LEAGUES MEANS NOTHING. each and every year it is loudly proclaimed how useless summer league is in predicting whether a player will be good or not. (whether they will stink is another matter.)

yes, each and every GAME herds of us cbers dispatch players and pass final judgement on young kid after young kid. final. done. finished. kaput. written off. adios muchacho.

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1. Summer league means nothing in a normal sense, but that doesn't mean there aren't takeaways.
2. If a player struggles in year two, its normally not good.
3. If a player has a lot of turnovers and/or bad shots, it can actually be a good thing. It shows confidence and the ability to try to learn.
4. You can tell more about a player's athleticism in summer league than anything.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #201 on: July 07, 2018, 11:43:32 AM »

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Williams in addition to his obvious athleticism showed good decision making and court awareness in his limited minutes.

Example his first miss was off a nice baseline move that was necessitated by shot clock running out. Got it off just in time. It was a nice athletic play and showed great court awareness.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #202 on: July 07, 2018, 11:45:35 AM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.

Great catch Surferdad!!!  I DVRed the game and have only watched part of it.  I think that Semi is MUCH more suited to guard SF's than SG's and PG's, but he is TRULY best at using his strength and guards BIGS!!!

And Korkmaz plays SG even though he is listed in the box score as a PF:

Furkan Korkmaz is a Turkish professional basketball player for the Philadelphia 76ers of the National Basketball Association. He was selected 26th in the 2016 NBA draft. At a height of 6 ft 7 in, he mainly plays the shooting guard position. Wikipedia



Asking Semi to lock down outside, hot shooters is about as brilliant as when we TRIED to make Avery Bradley a PG!!!!  That being said, Semi has a MUCH better chance of guarding guys on the perimeter than AB did of becoming a competent PG:-)))
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Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #203 on: July 07, 2018, 11:51:04 AM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.


These comments are baffling... Are you suggesting that you can discern any improvement/lack of, in Semi's 3 point shooting, in 25 minutes of one summer league game?? Also, you do realize the season ended 4 weeks ago, right? Did you expect some type of incredible jump in his game since then?

I love this blog, but some of these takes are pure nonsense.
Thanks for sarcasm, but so sorry your are baffled.  Perhaps I can help you.

I was actually the one who was claiming that Semi looked real good in the 1st game.  Then bellerephon pointed out that we can expect that kind of performance from a guy who started playoff games only a month ago.  So what did I do?  I went back and watched the replays again and saw a concerning issue that explained (at least in part) why an opposing player went off for 40 points.  If you've got a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Im not sure where you are getting sarcasm. I feel I was very direct with my criticisms.

" To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning." -- Explain to me, and be specific, how this is not a scolding hot and incredibly reactionary take.

Semi started games IN THE PLAYOFFS for a team that was an average shooting night from the NBA finals. I am fascinated about how anyone could disrespect this man by allowing the word fringe anywhere near him.

I dont think i need to say much more.

I am not concerned by an end of the bench player scoring 40 points on a man who flexed his combat muscles on some of the best players in the league, when the games meant something. The guy has ****ned combat muscles the size of Delaware.

Go get some cold water and cool off those spice-takes
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Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #204 on: July 07, 2018, 12:26:26 PM »

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We know Semi can defend, so no surprise there. I don’t think it means much that he was able to attack the rim in a summer league game, the defense is terrible in summer league. To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning.
Fair enough.  Let's see how he does tonight.  He might have felt undue pressure to lead this junior squad.
Just watched the 9-minute replay of offensive highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABFeJUi7_A
Most of Korkmaz' outside field goals came with Semi guarding him.  He gave him too much space and didn't move laterally very well, even got outfaked.  This is a concern.


These comments are baffling... Are you suggesting that you can discern any improvement/lack of, in Semi's 3 point shooting, in 25 minutes of one summer league game?? Also, you do realize the season ended 4 weeks ago, right? Did you expect some type of incredible jump in his game since then?

I love this blog, but some of these takes are pure nonsense.
Thanks for sarcasm, but so sorry your are baffled.  Perhaps I can help you.

I was actually the one who was claiming that Semi looked real good in the 1st game.  Then bellerephon pointed out that we can expect that kind of performance from a guy who started playoff games only a month ago.  So what did I do?  I went back and watched the replays again and saw a concerning issue that explained (at least in part) why an opposing player went off for 40 points.  If you've got a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Im not sure where you are getting sarcasm. I feel I was very direct with my criticisms.

" To be more than a fringe player in the NBA he needs to be able to hit threes. The fact that he does not seem to have improved on this is concerning." -- Explain to me, and be specific, how this is not a scolding hot and incredibly reactionary take.

Semi started games IN THE PLAYOFFS for a team that was an average shooting night from the NBA finals. I am fascinated about how anyone could disrespect this man by allowing the word fringe anywhere near him.

I dont think i need to say much more.

I am not concerned by an end of the bench player scoring 40 points on a man who flexed his combat muscles on some of the best players in the league, when the games meant something. The guy has ****ned combat muscles the size of Delaware.

Go get some cold water and cool off those spice-takes

To be fair the criticism of Semi that you quoted here is from me, not Surferdad. I stand by my criticism, however. Semi's playing time was largely a result of injuries, if the Celts had a full roster he would not have played much in the playoffs IMHO. He proved that he can play defense at the NBA level, he deserves respect for that. But he also showed that he had nothing to add on the offensive end. That will limit him to a fringe role unless he can improve.

In the first summer league game he showed more ability to attack the rim than he showed in the NBA last year, but in truth I don't think that will translate to the NBA where the defense is much better. Especially since he hasn't shown he can hit the three. Defenders won't need to close out on him and can sit back and keep him out of the lane. Furthermore, he's not really all that good at attacking the rim anyways. He did it in a summer league game against guys who won't make the NBA playing terrible defense.

I stand by my comment that his poor three point shooting is a concern. I will concede that it is only one game, but this is his pattern. He shot poorly last year from three. He has given us no reason to think that is going to change. Maybe it will, but until I see him consistently hitting the three, I will be skeptical that he is anything more than an end of the bench defensive sub.

Finally, I don't see him playing enough next season to grow very much. Right now he is the 11th man on the roster at best (Irving, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford, Baynes, Smart, Rozier, Theis, Morris) and could possibly drop further if Wanamaker proves he can play or if the Celts add someone who can shoot. How many minutes can he reasonably be expected to get?

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #205 on: July 07, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »

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good gracious gobs of goo guys and gals. here we are again, yet once more, revisiting something that is obvious to each and everyone here.

SUMMER LEAGUES MEANS NOTHING. each and every year it is loudly proclaimed how useless summer league is in predicting whether a player will be good or not. (whether they will stink is another matter.)

yes, each and every GAME herds of us cbers dispatch players and pass final judgement on young kid after young kid. final. done. finished. kaput. written off. adios muchacho.

Guiding principles of Summer League:

1. Summer league means nothing in a normal sense, but that doesn't mean there aren't takeaways.
2. If a player struggles in year two, its normally not good.
3. If a player has a lot of turnovers and/or bad shots, it can actually be a good thing. It shows confidence and the ability to try to learn.
4. You can tell more about a player's athleticism in summer league than anything.

Yes; You can’t overreact to summer league, but they are playing basketball out there and so you can learn some things. When we saw Jaylen Brown dominate last year, and show how he was working to improve his handle and expand his game, that was a pretty good indication of what was going to come. When we saw Jayson Tatum win the first game on a last-second step back,and flash a true three-level game, that was a pretty good indication of what was going to come. You couldn’t know for sure, but those things seemed likely to translate.

When I see a huge player like Yabu racking up foul after foul and having trouble adjusting to the agility of other players, I’m reasonably sure that’s also a sign of things to come. League’s not over; maybe he’ll improve. Maybe it’s another year of play. But the early signs are not encouraging.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #206 on: July 07, 2018, 12:44:16 PM »

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Let me add one more thing regarding my take on Semi. In order to even make an NBA roster a player usually needs to have at least one skill that can make a difference. It could be defense, or three point shooting, or running the point. But that will only get a guy on a roster. To actually get real playing time a player needs to combine that difference making skill with the ability to contribute at least a little bit in other areas.

Let's look at Smart. His defense is his difference making skill. He can't shoot at all. But he can run the point, start the offense, throw lobs, and run pick and roll. Also consider Baynes. He plays good post defense, that's his difference making skill. But he can shoot a bit, set picks, and has even been able to hit the three.

Semi plays good defense, but that's it. That was enough to get him on the floor when the Celts were suffering with injuries, but with a healthy roster he simply doesn't bring enough to the table to deserve significant time. If he can add a three point shot that would change matters. But we simply haven't seen it at this level.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #207 on: July 07, 2018, 12:51:51 PM »

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I lost interest when Williams taken out.

Hope nothing serious.

Same. Spoiled after the last two SL with #3 picks. I started watching Big 3 Basketball after he checked out... Scalabrine and Ricky Davis were playing during the first hour.  ;D

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #208 on: July 07, 2018, 12:54:43 PM »

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Let me add one more thing regarding my take on Semi. In order to even make an NBA roster a player usually needs to have at least one skill that can make a difference. It could be defense, or three point shooting, or running the point. But that will only get a guy on a roster. To actually get real playing time a player needs to combine that difference making skill with the ability to contribute at least a little bit in other areas.

Let's look at Smart. His defense is his difference making skill. He can't shoot at all. But he can run the point, start the offense, throw lobs, and run pick and roll. Also consider Baynes. He plays good post defense, that's his difference making skill. But he can shoot a bit, set picks, and has even been able to hit the three.

Semi plays good defense, but that's it. That was enough to get him on the floor when the Celts were suffering with injuries, but with a healthy roster he simply doesn't bring enough to the table to deserve significant time. If he can add a three point shot that would change matters. But we simply haven't seen it at this level.

I think that is all correct. It’s surprising; he was a decent shooter in college and he has shown flashes, but he can’t seem to do it consistently so far. If he was a good three-point shooter and at least had some ability to cut or attack closeouts he would be a useful player. If he could convince the coaching staff he was going to grow into the player they would have some flexibility on the roster; I could see them letting Morris go for future assets or room under the tax, for example. But at this point he is strictly bench depth or maybe a Giannis specialist.

Re: Celtics (0-0) vs 76ers (0-0) Vegas SL Game 1 7/6/18
« Reply #209 on: July 07, 2018, 01:01:38 PM »

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