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Not saying he will develop into a better player (though it would be nice if he did), but coming out of college, he already have more skillset than the 2 had. The only question is if he have the same work ethic and intangibles those 2 have.

-Williams already have a decent ball handling skills for a big. Both Capela and Jordan never had those even now.

-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area.

-Last his is passing skills. Another skillset the 2 don't have. He's not particularly a great passer, but he have already shown flashed with his playmaking ability.

If he can reach his ceiling, all-star spot wouldn't be out of possibility.

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Imagine how annoying our bench will be to opposing teams. Smart, Williams, Morris,, theis, ojeleye all superb defending

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Imagine how annoying our bench will be to opposing teams. Smart, Williams, Morris,, theis, ojeleye all superb defending
All big, strong and mobile. Can switch onto everything. Throw Rozier in there too and you have a major headache for the league for years to come

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The Celtics built this team. They did not buy it.  :angel:

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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area

Holy homerism batman!

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 06:37:09 AM »

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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area

Holy homerism batman!

Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s

Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.

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You're taking my post way out of context. I said he's a better prospect, not better player. I don't know what you find wrong about my post.

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2018, 08:47:33 AM »

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Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any
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Easily done, like taking candy from a baby it was so easy.  Look at this video on his jumpers, watch it. 

You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.

You can see it clearly around the fifty second mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HqP-cuS02o&feature=youtu.be

You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.

He has what is called a hitch in his jump shot which is unnecessary movement.  It slows down his shot and it also extra movement hurts accuracy.

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Ghastly jump shooting numbers across two seasons at Texas A&M. Will he ever become a credible mid-range threat?

https://www.thestepien.com/robert-williams/

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Has been working to extend his range, but still lacks any consistency with his jump shot ... Very poor free throw shooter who needs work on his shot mechanics ..

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams

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He attempted 18 three-pointers all of last year while only making two of them. While he did happen to hit both of those threes in the last 2 games of the season, he just didn’t show the ability to hit it from there consistently.

http://basketballsocietyonline.com/robert-williams-scouting-report


More video of his jumpshot, please note the bad mechanics at the fifteen second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDFL7fXfEc

Lastly, Coach Brad Stevens said this

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"I think that he will improve his shot and get right to work on that. But I think handling and passing, I think he'll be able to do that and continue to get better at it."

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html

This ought to tell you that the Celtics have prioritized his shot as an area of improvement.

You're the one who needs to prove your point.   Perhaps you should get out more????  I can post a lot more stuff if you want more proof.   

Look I want him to do well, I think he has a ton of defensive potential.
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Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any
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Easily done, like taking candy from a baby it was so easy.  Look at this video on his jumpers, watch it. 

You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.

You can see it clearly around the fifty second mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HqP-cuS02o&feature=youtu.be

You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.

He has what is called a hitch in his jump shot which is unnecessary movement.  It slows down his shot and it also extra movement hurts accuracy.

Also:
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Ghastly jump shooting numbers across two seasons at Texas A&M. Will he ever become a credible mid-range threat?

https://www.thestepien.com/robert-williams/

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Has been working to extend his range, but still lacks any consistency with his jump shot ... Very poor free throw shooter who needs work on his shot mechanics ..

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams

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He attempted 18 three-pointers all of last year while only making two of them. While he did happen to hit both of those threes in the last 2 games of the season, he just didn’t show the ability to hit it from there consistently.

http://basketballsocietyonline.com/robert-williams-scouting-report


More video of his jumpshot, please note the bad mechanics at the fifteen second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDFL7fXfEc

Lastly, Coach Brad Stevens said this

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"I think that he will improve his shot and get right to work on that. But I think handling and passing, I think he'll be able to do that and continue to get better at it."

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html

This ought to tell you that the Celtics have prioritized his shot as an area of improvement.

You're the one who needs to prove your point.   Perhaps you should get out more????  I can post a lot more stuff if you want more proof.   

Look I want him to do well, I think he has a ton of defensive potential.

Man your reaching. He has an awkward release, but it's not broken like Lonzo's or Fultz's. He didn't start playing till later in life compared to most of the picks, and he's been the defensive guy and was only asked to do that job. But he looks like he has a nice touch around the rim which is good for getting offensive rebounds.

His shot is a bit awkward, but who knows how much time people have spent with him on that. It's not Lonzo or Fultz broken, so there is a shot that he can be an average to decent shooter. And coming to Boston, he doesn't have to worry about scoring right away, he has a couple years to learn under Horford(who has an awkward shot), who dodn't start shooting how side the three point line till a few years ago.

I also love what he was saying. He knows who he is, a rebounding,defensive, shot blocking big. He's not going to go out side what he can do until he can do it, unlike some bigs who things they can shoot threes when they really can't.

I still don't know why people are crapping on this pick, he was a potential lotto pick last year. Unless some one bigger fell, we were going to get a player that was a bit raw and rough. If there is a diamond in this, who knows. If in a couple years this cat can score 10ppg get 10rpg and 2 bpg, and can hit that KG elbow bunny, not threes, just that 18-20 footer, thats a huge steal at 27.

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After doing more scouting on his shooting form, it is horrendous, but I wouldn't say he is a non-shooter like Jordan or Capella.

He just has terrible habits and consistency. He is off-balance at times. His feet are too close sometimes. His elbow sticks out. He catapults the ball. He leans back. He shoots on the way down.

All of that said, I don't think he is a non-shooter. He will need to work and he will need to correct some things (or a complete overhaul).

I like the follow through. That is the one redeeming quality.

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If he doesn't have a perfect jump shot at 20 he'll never learn.   ::)

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Man your reaching. He has an awkward release,

Reaching?  Yet most every draft report says his jumper is an area of weakness.   I know we live in an age of fact resistant people and you're a prime example. 

I love the pick, for the record, I just think that it is a area of weakness for him.   No player is perfect and he has plenty of room to improve in this area.   Sometimes guys who are tall and athletic are affected by the "game comes easy to me" virus.  Their jumper is the last thing they develop.

Awkward release and a hitch is what he has and he needs tons of repititions to overwrite that bad muscle memory.   It can be done, it just takes a tons of reps like over 500 shots a day for a few months.   The fact that Brad Stevens stated they are going to address proves me right and you wrong.

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"If you can have four shooters on the floor and a guy like that rolling to the rim, you can just throw it up in the air and go get it, finish it," Stevens said. "And I think that there's a lot of things that he brings to the table, but those are the things that translate sooner rather than later. As he continues to improve and improve his skill and everything else, we'll see where all that goes. But right now, he is an elite athlete and with incredible length."

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https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html

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“He’ll improve his shot and get right to work on that,” said Stevens. “Handling and passing — we put a lot of time into ballhandling with our bigs from Day 1 once they get here, and into dribble hand-offs and a lot of the passing

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/celtics_take_texas_am_s_robert_williams_with_no_27_pick

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On the positive side, while Williams doesn’t fit the Stevens’ mold of long-range shooting and “spacing” the floor, his ability to block shots (2.5 per game) and run the floor fills a role the Celtics currently don’t have.

Stevens intimated that Williams needs work. He also said inferred that the veterans around the room will make sure Williams does his work.

But make no mistake about it. Williams slid to the Celtics because, as one scout told me, “He is a project, at least when it comes to scoring.”

http://www.eagletribune.com/sports/national_sports/shooting-woes-not-attitude-is-why-williams-landed-in-boston/article_387d2933-4b91-5b05-8f18-b980067981df.html

I love the pick and think he will be fine.  He does not need to shoot.   But I don't understand the blatant hyping up of a guy's shooting when in fact, he can't shoot.   I was calling you guys on your BS!

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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area

Holy homerism batman!

Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s

Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
Are we SERIOUSLY using practice to prove a guy can shoot?!?  Seriously?  That’s about as meaningless as it gets.