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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #315 on: June 23, 2018, 01:35:20 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #316 on: June 23, 2018, 01:37:09 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

He has been measured, just not since 2015.  His wingspan was 7’4” as a 17 year-old.  7’5” might be wrong, but it’s more likely to be right than 7’3” is.

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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #317 on: June 23, 2018, 01:47:38 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.
It really doesn't matter if he is 6'9" or 6'10" or if his wingspan is 7'4" or 7'5".  He's really long and very athletic and he uses both of those attributes really well when he plays. 

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #318 on: June 23, 2018, 01:50:29 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #319 on: June 23, 2018, 01:58:10 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.
Sure, but Nike Basketball Academy is not an "official measurement". The only official and reliable measurement happens at the combine.
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #320 on: June 23, 2018, 02:01:30 PM »

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At 27. What u got to lose..im thrilled
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #321 on: June 23, 2018, 02:47:02 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.
Yeah, he more than makes up for not being 6'11"-7' tall with his insane hops and his 7'5" wingspan. Plus, he's a very strong 240lbs. Guess who else was 6'9", 240lbs, and was an athletic defensive minded rebounder? Big Ben ;)
Since he hasn't been measured, this number is as reliable as his height.

Official measurement at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy was 6'8.5'' with a 7'4'' wingspan.

That's when he was 17 years old.

Well he hasn't shrunk, that's for sure.  When I watch him block shots, his wingspan looks 8', LOL.
Sure, but Nike Basketball Academy is not an "official measurement". The only official and reliable measurement happens at the combine.

I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #322 on: June 23, 2018, 03:16:58 PM »

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I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #323 on: June 23, 2018, 03:22:30 PM »

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He looks  6'10" to me.

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #324 on: June 23, 2018, 03:28:21 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Do you know how many guys classified as pure centers by basketball-reference played 30+ mpg last season?

Seven, none of whom averaged as many as 34 minutes.

Add guys who swing to center, and you’re up to 14 players.  That’s less than half the league (and we’ve got one of them, Horford).

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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #325 on: June 23, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »

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I don't know how to answer this. It's a measurement at an officially recognized basketball event in the states. It may not be official by NBA standards, but this seems like a pedantic critique made by someone unwilling to accept that he might be wrong.
It's not a measurement at an NBA sanctioned event. Typically, those tend to be all over the place, and I wouldn't take any of them without a grain of salt. That is all.

What percentage of players measured at the Nike Hoops Summit measure as smaller a couple of years later when the combine comes around?  Do you have any data to say that the premier amateur combine event attended by the heads of every NBA scouting department is unreliable?
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #326 on: June 23, 2018, 04:30:32 PM »

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How big is Robert Williams really?

He was a 6-8 (without shoes) / 6-9 (in shoes) PF in the mold of a Tyrus Thomas a year ago. Now some are reporting he is 6-10 and a few others are still saying 6-9.

I looked up the draft measurements but his were not on there.

Is there any legit measurements on this guy? Is he a real 6-10? Or is he another average size PF pretending to be a center?
He didn't participate in the NBA combine.  So whether he's 6-9 or 6-10 is going to make a big difference to you?  I'd say he's Horford's size but with a bigger wingspan and much more athletic.

Yes. 6-10 is already quite undersized for the center position. Another inch matters. Few players 6-9 can play 30+ minutes as a starting center. Reduces the likelihood of him being a starter down the road.

Do you know how many guys classified as pure centers by basketball-reference played 30+ mpg last season?

Seven, none of whom averaged as many as 34 minutes.

Add guys who swing to center, and you’re up to 14 players.  That’s less than half the league (and we’ve got one of them, Horford).

This fact is one of many reasons I consider Baynes to be a luxury item.  Between Horford, Theis, Williams, and Yabusele we should be able to patch together 48 minutes of center play.  And if Yabusele isn’t ready to help with that in year 2, then he needs to be moved so that we can afford someone else who can (Baynes or otherwise).
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #327 on: June 23, 2018, 05:46:41 PM »

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I just read he has a 9'4" standing reach.  Jordan Mickey had a 8'10" Standing reach.  This puts Williams up there with DJ and DH as far as standing reach with more hops. What have we got to lose? 
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Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #328 on: June 23, 2018, 06:15:29 PM »

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Could be our Ben Wallace.

Probably not, but I would be happy with a Reggie Evans.

Re: Ainge got his big at pick 27. Welcome Robert Williams
« Reply #329 on: June 23, 2018, 06:19:53 PM »

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Potential bust-o-meter is through the roof.

I'm not sure that there's such a thing as a bust at #27.

This is very true yet people still cite Fab Melo and JR Giddens when questioning Ainge's draft record.