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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 09:54:18 AM »

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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:

Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick

Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.

If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.
I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.

I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2018, 09:57:10 AM »

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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.

I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2018, 10:01:36 AM »

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I really do not get why people think its appealing for other teams to give up their current high lottery pick to get back their own future uncertain lottery pick.

Its just not.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2018, 10:02:39 AM »

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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.

I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.
Yeah, agreed. Sentimentality and getting rid of Parson's disgusting contract would be good for them, but they'd need a lot more compensation than a decent wing, a washed up big man and whatever their pick will be.
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:26 AM »

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I'd be willing to eat Parsons contract if we got Doncic. Sounds to me he could be the best player and having a 6'8" play maker we could have a future starting line up that is very big if lost KI or used him as a trade chip. Saying all that I do like KI and prefer to keep him.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:43 AM »

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It would probably take some sort of combo of Rozier, the 27 pick and the Kings pick next year to get to 4...plus parson’s titanic contract

2 years at 49 million...dear god

No problem moving the Kings pick if you can get a top four  player.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 10:17:51 AM »

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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.

They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.

I all depends on how motivated they are to move Parsons.  The only way the can move that pick is to trade their draft pick.  No one is taking that contract just to move up 2 spots in the draft.  Maybe 20 spots but not 2, 5, 10.  If they really want to get rid of Parsons then they have to expect to give up the pick to do so.  Very few options with teams that have cap space and that will give them a high pick and cap freedom just to slightly move up.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2018, 10:18:57 AM »

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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.

But probably pass...

Put the bottle down please...

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2018, 10:20:30 AM »

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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.

I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.

Like I said, I find it hard to believe that Boston is even considered for the #4 pick if their not taking back Parson's. However, that #4 pick has to be reduced in perceived value if their attaching an albatross contract to it. The Celtics would probably have to add the Clippers 2019 pick or Rozier for Memphis. However, I can't see Danny adding both.

I was just trying to come up with some sort of idea for a possible trade, where the Celtics would even be in a discussion to even support this #4 pick rumor. I think I only saw one other trade idea.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »

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I remember the good old days when I would wake up the day after the draft. I'd look in the Boston Globe and find out that the Celtics had just drafted Steve Downing.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2018, 10:27:06 AM »

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I remember the good old days when I would wake up the day after the draft. I'd look in the Boston Globe and find out that the Celtics had just drafted Steve Downing.
He didn't even crack 30 games did he?
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2018, 10:32:26 AM »

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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.

They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.

I all depends on how motivated they are to move Parsons.  The only way the can move that pick is to trade their draft pick.  No one is taking that contract just to move up 2 spots in the draft.  Maybe 20 spots but not 2, 5, 10.  If they really want to get rid of Parsons then they have to expect to give up the pick to do so.  Very few options with teams that have cap space and that will give them a high pick and cap freedom just to slightly move up.

I agree, on first hand the proposed deal looks terrible for Memphis. But when you analyze it, it isn't bad. In a vacuum a trade like #4 + Parsons for around #15 seems reasonable.  Parsons' contract is that bad. Where the '19 Memphis pick is going to land is very uncertain, but a mid-first rounder can be expected. Add some minor pieces to the deal (in this example useful players like Morris and Randolph) and the deal isn't far of reality (though maybe the FO of Memphis is  ;D).

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2018, 10:33:28 AM »

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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.

But probably pass...

Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that

..

BUT

it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
I trust Danny Ainge

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2018, 10:34:49 AM »

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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.

But probably pass...

Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that

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BUT

it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
8th pick, Crowder and the shadow of Isaiah Thomas for pick 4 and Chandler Parson's horrific contract? If that was what we did Ainge would be a laughing stock for a while
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2018, 10:35:09 AM »

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I doubt anyone takes the Parsons contract without sending some money back.