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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 04:35:23 AM »

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What about Dallas?

#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas

Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.

Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.

Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.

I got the impression from the tweet that that's more than Boston wants to give up for #4.  Something about no key players being included...

Yeah I guess it depends what you mean by "key". I know Ainge has always been pretty high on Rozier, but he's also not a starter next year and I highly doubt would hold back chasing a top-5 talent that we like.

If Ainge could accomplish that it’d be a coup.

Does Dallas do this? They take an extra year of a very bad contract in return for a decent starting PG and a late 1st round pick. They’ll have to pay Rozier to keep him when they already have their PG of the future.

Memphis drops Parsons’ anchor of a contract but still has to take on a serious overpay contract next year (Matthews) and a so-so starter (Morris). I assume they want the money freed up to chase players that can help them next year, not to spend $18 M on Wes Matthews (PER 11.4). The Sac pick is nice, but I thought their goal is win now. Even if their focus is on a rebuild, there’s a very good chance the Sac pick lands 6-9 next year. Isn’t it better to grab a higher pick now?
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 05:53:52 AM »

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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.

That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.

To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 06:25:40 AM »

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The more I think about it, the more I think letting go of the Sac pick for a high pick this year is the best option even though it means giving up assets for a similar or even worse pick now. Next years' draft is reportedly a lot weaker and slim on bigs, whereas this one is lousy with bigs and that's what the Celtics need.

If they're able to get into the top 8 without giving up one of their projected starting 5 (or Smart, I love Smart), I'll be happy.
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2018, 06:27:05 AM »

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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.

That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.

To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.

Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2018, 06:58:26 AM »

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U going to hear everything today so get ready..heard this and dallas wants marcus smart...but its fun
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2018, 08:04:38 AM »

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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.

That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.

To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.

Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft

They would like to have it back.  Every team likes to control their own picks, if for no other reason than getting it back means it’s easier for them to trade future picks if needed.  And if they are unable to right the ship, giving up a future lottery pick, potentially unprotected in 2021, would be terrible optics.

The pick is more valuable to Memphis than it is any other team.  It’s valuable in general, but it probably has 5-10% more value to them.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2018, 08:50:15 AM »

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It is interesting how the Stepien rule is handcuffing them with this pick

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2018, 09:12:14 AM »

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There are tons of similar rumours rn

Last one I read is that D. Dedmon exercised his player option to be included in a package with the Hawks 3rd pick

https://fansided.com/2018/06/21/dewayne-dedmon-option-timing-should-raise-trade-suspicions-hawks/

Same story every year with the pre-draft rumours, most of them is just speculation that anyone with some knowledge of the NBA could come up with

Dedmon would not exercise his player option based on thinking ATL might make a trade with him or not.  He would only exercise strictly based on this being the best financial move for him.
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2018, 09:19:44 AM »

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There are tons of similar rumours rn

Last one I read is that D. Dedmon exercised his player option to be included in a package with the Hawks 3rd pick

https://fansided.com/2018/06/21/dewayne-dedmon-option-timing-should-raise-trade-suspicions-hawks/

Same story every year with the pre-draft rumours, most of them is just speculation that anyone with some knowledge of the NBA could come up with

Yeah, I expected some major movement on draft day the last several years and have been disappointed, while this year I’m not expecting much. So hopefully the logic holds and we’ll see something exciting today/tonight!

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2018, 09:48:04 AM »

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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:

Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick

Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.

If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2018, 09:51:38 AM »

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Parsons contract is too big an obstacle

No way Boston needs to take that titanic on

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2018, 09:52:52 AM »

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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:

Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick

Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.

If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.

I thought the whole deal with Memphis would have Rozier in it, and not Morris?

Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2018, 09:53:51 AM »

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Parsons contract is too big an obstacle

No way Boston needs to take that titanic on
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2018, 09:54:04 AM »

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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:

Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick

Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.

If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.

I would think Memphis needs a little more out of this, Clippers pick too?
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Re: Memphis shopping 4th pick (Celtics interested)
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2018, 09:54:16 AM »

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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.

They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.