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Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Good read, thanks for sharing.

Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Brown needs to get ball strong in traffic going to the rim. He had a lot of strips

Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Nice appreciation for the nuances:

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Brown is a monster athlete, but his explosiveness doesn't translate into games as much as it should. That will change as he hones his feel and his jumper. Skills are not discrete things. They interact. One skill amplifies or diminishes another. As Brown becomes more confident and anticipatory with the ball, his athleticism will sing louder. He will gain separation more easily.
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Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Welcome to the dance Zach Lowe.  I, plus others on this board,  have been comparing the two for a couple of years now.  I thought Brown was the next Kawhi coming out of college.  The scouting reports were eerily similar....
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Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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With the uncertainty of Kawhi resigning and the fact that he hardly played last year I still lean toward just keeping Brown.

I won't put the monstrous expectations of becoming the next Kawhi on Brown, but his current production is encouraging and if he stays largely the same with Tatum ascending to a superstar level and Kyrie resigning with Hayward in the mix, I can live with Brown being our fourth best scoring option...  All while being significantly more affordable, younger, and without the unknown injury.

Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Nice article as always from Lowe. Ultimately he reaches what is probably the right conclusion, you probably should include Jaylen in a Kawhi trade. But I wouldn't. He brings up many of he things Jaylen supporter (myself included) like to talk when we discuss his upside. He is not as bad of a ball handler as people make him out to be, as Lowe points out he has some nascent feel for keeping defenders on his hip, hitting pull up jumpers and even some nice dribble moves. He problems come more from not quite having the feel for the game, its not that he doesn't have the dribble its that he doesn't know how to use it yet. And I'm very confident he will improve that, most young players do. Its a matter of how much. Jaylen could be an All NBA level player, no guarantees but I'd roll with what we got and risk it.


Ultimately I think people forget that the kid was just 21. He was billed as a raw project who coming out of college and in year 2 was one of the top two options (Tatum and him alternated) on an ECF team. He's made as much progress as you could ask for.
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Remember when Zach Lowe wrote for CelticsHub.com?  This is the type of material that he was writing then that got him gigs at SI and ESPN.  I love to see the Celtic-centric material.


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Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Remember when Zach Lowe wrote for CelticsHub.com?  This is the type of material that he was writing then that got him gigs at SI and ESPN.  I love to see the Celtic-centric material.

Yup.  He's a fine writer, too.
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Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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I really don’t want Kawhi. At some point we need to have an off-season where we keep our guys...

Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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They are not similar.... body type, explosiveness, shooting mechanics,  think the game differently.  Defensive versatility is the only one thing in common, but Kawhi is a step ahead of course

Brown needs to "calm" his mind in crucial situations and focus on taking the right shot/making the correct play.  Needs to improve on jump shot/FT shot.  Be assertive when attacking the basket

Expecting him to noticeably improve handles is a fantasy. 

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I see 2 things from this article that could prevent Brown from being quite like Kawhi which is Kawhi’s enormous wingspan and giant hands (allowing him to be stronger with the ball).  One adavantage Brown has at this stage is shooting non corner 3’s better.

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Brown's eurostep and off-hand are both better than Leonard's at the same stage.

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They are not similar.... body type, explosiveness, shooting mechanics,  think the game differently.  Defensive versatility is the only one thing in common, but Kawhi is a step ahead of course

Brown needs to "calm" his mind in crucial situations and focus on taking the right shot/making the correct play.  Needs to improve on jump shot/FT shot.  Be assertive when attacking the basket

Expecting him to noticeably improve handles is a fantasy.

Aside from the FTs, aren't these all issues Kawhi had to overcome as he developed his offensive game?

Agree that we shouldn't expect Brown to reach the DPOY/Finals MVP/Likely Top 5 player level Kawhi got to before the injury but they really don't seem that dissimilar to me.

Re: Zach Lowe compares Kawhi and Jaylen
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Nice article as always from Lowe. Ultimately he reaches what is probably the right conclusion, you probably should include Jaylen in a Kawhi trade. But I wouldn't. He brings up many of he things Jaylen supporter (myself included) like to talk when we discuss his upside. He is not as bad of a ball handler as people make him out to be, as Lowe points out he has some nascent feel for keeping defenders on his hip, hitting pull up jumpers and even some nice dribble moves. He problems come more from not quite having the feel for the game, its not that he doesn't have the dribble its that he doesn't know how to use it yet. And I'm very confident he will improve that, most young players do. Its a matter of how much. Jaylen could be an All NBA level player, no guarantees but I'd roll with what we got and risk it.


Ultimately I think people forget that the kid was just 21. He was billed as a raw project who coming out of college and in year 2 was one of the top two options (Tatum and him alternated) on an ECF team. He's made as much progress as you could ask for.
Sure, he’ll improve his feel for the game.  But he has below average feel for his age and experience.  How does he go from below average to average (or above), which he’ll need to become a star?