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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2018, 10:31:44 AM »

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Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

Charlotte was about $4 million over the luxury tax threshold. They get about $3.7 million under it with this trade. It's still a coup for the Nets, though.

Yeah, that's what I was able to gather.

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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2018, 10:32:05 AM »

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Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

Charlotte is trying to save money and they don't really believe in their core. Mozgov earns 8 million less than Howard next year, so with this move they'll probably be able to stay under the tax. That will be the most important argument.

Howard might be a difficult personality in the locker room (although he had a good season i.m.o.) and they have a starting calibre center in Cody Zeller anyhow, so the loss isn't huge.

Charlotte probably is willing to trade anybody for the right price. They'd even part with Walker since his contract ends next year, but if not they will try to make the playoffs. The two second rounders can be seen as a slow start of a rebuild, but that will take years and the FO will know that so staying semi-relevant is their course. 

Edit: Couldn't Charlotte have gotten a better deal if they'd made a trade with Cleveland this winter? Tristan Thompson would still be a lot better than Mozgov (why did the Lakers give Mozgov a 64 million contract anyway???)
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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2018, 10:38:36 AM »

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I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.

Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2018, 10:39:16 AM »

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Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?
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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2018, 10:39:24 AM »

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Dwight should've be part of the b-boat crew, but after the olympics, no one picked him for their super teams. He became the outcast. He should be revered as the best player at his position of the b-boat generation. He made more Finals than Melo or CP but all I'll remember him for was being on the Magic team that disrupted the re-ignition of sports' greatest rivalry. Ironically, he's the remix of the '94 Magic team, just without ever having figured it out. To quote coach Jack O'Reilly, "now you're not even a has been, Bombay. You're a never was."
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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2018, 10:42:01 AM »

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Kemba will get traded next. Whether to Cleveland, or New York, or Utah... I'm guessing it likely happens sometime in the coming days (maybe even Draft Night itself).

That said CLE is in a bit of a pickle. Do they trade #8 for Kemba to convince Lebron to come back, or just use #8 on someone. Lebron hasn't really said anything to them apparently. If I'm CLE I do the latter. Lebron's screwed Cleveland (first time) and Miami right before leaving, don't fall for it again.

Deal based on #8 for Kemba seems to make a ton of sense to me.  Charlotte could even pick up Larry Nance too by taking on one of Cavs bad contracts since Hornets are already going nowhere in the next two years with the deals they already have on hand.  At #8 there will be a player on the board (Trae Young, Porter, Bamba, Sexton) that could be a far better fit for a rebuilding timeline for Charlotte.

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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2018, 10:44:08 AM »

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I think this is a really smart trade by Brooklyn. Dwight wanted to go to the Nets a long time ago, gets his wish under very different circumstances. However I think it's a good opportunity for both sides.

As for 2019, I still believe Kawhi could go to New York, the Nets could well be a possibility. Marks has that Spurs connection too...

Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2018, 10:48:09 AM »

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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2018, 10:49:38 AM »

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Wow..traded again..he must be a bad teammate
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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2018, 10:51:01 AM »

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I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.

OK.  I'm having trouble seeing what team will trade a max player for Allen Crabbe.  Brooklyn has no other assets to throw in, although I suppose something could develop this year (tough with no draft picks this year though).  I suppose in a S&T it is possible, but I just see it highly highly unlikely.
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Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »

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Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?



Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2018, 10:54:56 AM »

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I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

Good young coach, great system, and the benefit of playing in a big market team.

So, like the Celtics minus the good players?

Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2018, 10:56:37 AM »

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My memory is tortured by wanting him for some reason after that year in Atlanta...

Dude is gonna STRUGGLE to get another contract after next year.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2018, 10:57:23 AM »

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I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.

OK.  I'm having trouble seeing what team will trade a max player for Allen Crabbe.  Brooklyn has no other assets to throw in, although I suppose something could develop this year (tough with no draft picks this year though).  I suppose in a S&T it is possible, but I just see it highly highly unlikely.

No, I mean in the summer of 2019.  At that point Crabbe will be an expiring and they’ll have their own lottery pick to dangle, as well as future picks and some other okay prospects.  So if they line up a deal, they can sign two max FA’s outright and then get a third via trade.

I should note I don’t think this is probable, but they’ve done a good job being patient and taking their medicine the last few years, so they can offer a clean slate to stars looking for a big market.

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2018, 11:03:09 AM »

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Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?
seriously??
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