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Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2018, 11:35:23 AM »

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Carmelo loves guys who put up good  reb/ast/etc numbers but don't shoot well when they're young. It had very high hopes for Marcus Smart as well.

Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
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From last year's rankings:

Kyrie Irving CATEGORY: "BORDERLINE ALL-STAR"  -- 5x allstar in 6 years. "Borderline"
Marcus Smart CATEGORY: FUTURE ALL-STAR
Al Horford CATEGORY: GOOD STARTER
Robert Covington CATEGORY: GOOD STARTER
DeMar DeRozan CATEGORY: AVERAGE STARTER


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Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
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Even that feels off, but it’s almost certainly due to RPM.

That explains a lot. RPM has always given some wacky results.


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Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2018, 12:23:40 PM »

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Yeah that makes no sense.
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Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2018, 12:56:06 PM »

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So I went over to the projections and I must say, I don't exactly understand what they are all about.  But I was curious how it rated Tatum and Brown and it looks like both are below Ball.  Brown is listed as a project, which I think at this point is a little harsh. 

Perhaps someone can explain what they see.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2018, 01:11:33 PM »

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So I went over to the projections and I must say, I don't exactly understand what they are all about.  But I was curious how it rated Tatum and Brown and it looks like both are below Ball.  Brown is listed as a project, which I think at this point is a little harsh. 

Perhaps someone can explain what they see.

If you’re looking at Carmelo right now, the projections are still from the beginning of last year.  This article seems to have been written with updated data that is not yet public.  That Ball-Tatum comparison is based largely on draft status and college stats.

I would expect Tatum to have surpassed Ball when the updated version is released (but it could be closer than some here like).  I would imagine Brown will be lower, as the advanced stats really like Ball’s defense, and are a little more split on Brown.  It’s Ball’s defense (>2% block and steal rate, and a high defensive rebound rate) that makes the models like him so much. 
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Re: ESPN’s “CARMELO” projections are hot garbage
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2018, 01:59:27 PM »

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So I went over to the projections and I must say, I don't exactly understand what they are all about.  But I was curious how it rated Tatum and Brown and it looks like both are below Ball.  Brown is listed as a project, which I think at this point is a little harsh. 

Perhaps someone can explain what they see.

If you’re looking at Carmelo right now, the projections are still from the beginning of last year.  This article seems to have been written with updated data that is not yet public.  That Ball-Tatum comparison is based largely on draft status and college stats.

I would expect Tatum to have surpassed Ball when the updated version is released (but it could be closer than some here like).  I would imagine Brown will be lower, as the advanced stats really like Ball’s defense, and are a little more split on Brown.  It’s Ball’s defense (>2% block and steal rate, and a high defensive rebound rate) that makes the models like him so much.
Thanks.  I was thinking that the results felt "old".  And I wouldn't be surprised to see exactly what you predict.  Tatum slightly above ball and both above brown.  That still might be closer to the general opinion, much as celtic fans think that brown is the next kawhi.