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Player or players you donít want the Celtics drafting
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:01:37 PM »

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 08:16:09 PM »

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

We could stand to do a lot worse, imo, like Grayson Allen, lol ;D, who is, without a doubt, the player from whom I absolutely want the Celtics to stay away. Can't stand him, and besides, as to how many dookies do we need on this team, anyway? ;) ;D

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 08:46:30 PM »

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

Ha I assume you were watching ESPN as well?

Yeah I looked him up. Not that interested. The position makes sense as a backup for Smart.

Anyone they pick is likely going to be a role player. If that's the case, I'm not sure there's really a big need for any particular position. Hayward will take Smart's minutes and then some.

Players I don't want at 27: Grayson Allen, Aaron Holiday, Mo Wagner

Guys I'm bearish on: Luka Doncic, Trae Young, Michael Porter, Colin Sexton, Shai Gilgeous Alexander

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 09:16:58 PM »

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I guess I could say I don't want the Celtics drafting G. Allen.  But I'm in the hugely trusts Ainge camp, so I kind of don't get passionate about my dislike of our picks anymore.  I jump right on the bandwagon.  (exception was trading up for Kelly O....I never jumped on that bandwagon...though he turned out decent...)

However, I can tell you which players I'll be glad to hear called prior to the Celtics pick, mostly as long as they are pushing Khyri Thomas or DiVincenzo in our direction....

So, players I"d like to be called prior to 27 list:

Grayson Allen, Mitchell Robinson, Aaron Holiday, Jacob Evans, Anfernee Simons, Gary Trent Jr., Landry Shamet

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

We could stand to do a lot worse, imo, like Grayson Allen, lol ;D, who is, without a doubt, the player from whom I absolutely want the Celtics to stay away. Can't stand him, and besides, as to how many dookies do we need on this team, anyway? ;) ;D

Your Allen hate is personal and not based on what he actually brings to the team. With Allen you know you're going to get shooting/floor spacing, passing, and a guy that's going to flat-out compete. He plays with fire, which turns people off, but so did Ainge, who was one of the most disliked players in the NBA.

If our starting lineup is as expected (Big 3, Tatum, and Brown) then one glaring hole we have is a consistent knockdown shooter off the bench. Definitely not a star by any means, but I could see a solid role player type of career for him. I've seen Sura, who played 10 seasons, comparisons and that doesn't seem far off at all.

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See I like Allen because he can shoot and he is a pain in the butt to other teams. Feel like he could add something different off the bench

Okogie is just another Semi...try hard defender that can't hit water if he fell out of a boat. And why do you need him if you resign Smart, which I think they do....
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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

I bet ya , yup...he 's one of them thar ...Okie 's from Muskogee ? 

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 10:19:25 PM »

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I'm worried Allen is too middle of the road to help against Golden State.  I can seem him getting minutes against the Warriors for his offense, but hurting us on defense against them....can he guard Livingston?  Can he guard Klay Thompson? Can he guard Curry?

This concern makes me lean more towards the specialist types (aside from the guys I want who won't be there most likely).  To me a defensive specialist like Melvin Frazier appeals with all the offense the Celtics already possess.  And MF is not a zero on offense.  The concern is if he's good enough overall to get minutes (not a concern with Allen). 

Apparently Frazier can guard 1 -3 in Smart-like fashion but with more mania...sometimes excessive and therefore problematic, but Brad could even that out.  He's 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan. 
So he could get minutes guarding Klay Thompson, Curry, and maybe a bit on Durant though not sure about that.  But I don't know if I'm overrating his ability to stay on the floor...just intrigued by his unique and natural defensive ability. 

So with Allen my concern is not that he's good enough to get minutes...I'm sure he is.  My concern is what will those minutes amount to.  Of course the coaching staff looks at overall impact, but I'm worried he might be a player who looks real good but, after a year or two of stats analysis and further observation the shine starts to come off...


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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 10:24:11 PM »

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I'm worried Allen is too middle of the road to help against Golden State.  I can seem him getting minutes against the Warriors for his offense, but hurting us on defense against them....can he guard Livingston?  Can he guard Klay Thompson? Can he guard Curry?

This concern makes me lean more towards the specialist types (aside from the guys I want who won't be there most likely).  To me a defensive specialist like Melvin Frazier appeals with all the offense the Celtics already possess.  And MF is not a zero on offense.  The concern is if he's good enough overall to get minutes (not a concern with Allen). 

Apparently Frazier can guard 1 -3 in Smart-like fashion but with more mania...sometimes excessive and therefore problematic, but Brad could even that out.  He's 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan. 
So he could get minutes guarding Klay Thompson, Curry, and maybe a bit on Durant though not sure about that.  But I don't know if I'm overrating his ability to stay on the floor...just intrigued by his unique and natural defensive ability. 

So with Allen my concern is not that he's good enough to get minutes...I'm sure he is.  My concern is what will those minutes amount to.  Of course the coaching staff looks at overall impact, but I'm worried he might be a player who looks real good but, after a year or two of stats analysis and further observation the shine starts to come off...

Just feel like the bench has so many defensive specialist guys on the bench...Semi, Smart and somewhat Theis. Would like some genuine scoring to go with it.
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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

We could stand to do a lot worse, imo, like Grayson Allen, lol ;D, who is, without a doubt, the player from whom I absolutely want the Celtics to stay away. Can't stand him, and besides, as to how many dookies do we need on this team, anyway? ;) ;D

Yes, who would want a bunch of players from a team that is coached by the winningest coach of all time who gets multiple top five high school players each year, usually the very top one... Let's instead go find a guy from Nevada state!

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 12:00:54 AM »

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

We could stand to do a lot worse, imo, like Grayson Allen, lol ;D, who is, without a doubt, the player from whom I absolutely want the Celtics to stay away. Can't stand him, and besides, as to how many dookies do we need on this team, anyway? ;) ;D

Yes, who would want a bunch of players from a team that is coached by the winningest coach of all time who gets multiple top five high school players each year, usually the very top one... Let's instead go find a guy from Nevada state!
Rofl, TP. Not to mention that Grayson was the leader of said team under said coach

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2018, 12:02:04 AM »

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Mine is Josh Okogie. Limited on offense. Undersized at 6í4. A very very poor manís Smart.

He has G League written all over him.

We could stand to do a lot worse, imo, like Grayson Allen, lol ;D, who is, without a doubt, the player from whom I absolutely want the Celtics to stay away. Can't stand him, and besides, as to how many dookies do we need on this team, anyway? ;) ;D

Your Allen hate is personal and not based on what he actually brings to the team. With Allen you know you're going to get shooting/floor spacing, passing, and a guy that's going to flat-out compete. He plays with fire, which turns people off, but so did Ainge, who was one of the most disliked players in the NBA.

If our starting lineup is as expected (Big 3, Tatum, and Brown) then one glaring hole we have is a consistent knockdown shooter off the bench. Definitely not a star by any means, but I could see a solid role player type of career for him. I've seen Sura, who played 10 seasons, comparisons and that doesn't seem far off at all.

Lol, nice try, man, but my disdain for his dirty play is not the only reason as to why I'm just, well, not a fan of the guy, as he has sub-par length, can't create his own shot, isn't much of an athlete, and simply doesn't have the quickness necessary to guard point guards, as he's also undersized to, at least theoretically, anyway, defend against most shooting guards. I know that you'll cite the numbers from the combine in terms of his agility, but I just don't see it, overall, with him, not to mention the fact that his in-conference play has dramatically declined for the last two years despite the continued presence of future NBA lottery picks, lol ;D. Dude hasn't even sniffed 40% in terms of overall fg% since his sophomore year ::). Like, I'd understand a slight dip in percentages, or whatever, if the primary offensive option graduated and Allen suddenly had to assume said mantle of responsibility, as it were, but that's not the case, here. Not even close.

If you want someone who brings that toughness/glue guy stuff to the team, and I do, albeit with better size, quickness, athleticism, and shooting, not to mention an overall superior skillset, just take Rawle Alkins and call it a day.

Honestly, I'm not even sure as to whether or not Grayson Allen would even be considered to be a draft prospect if he had attended almost any other college save for Duke, but whatever :-\.

Here are those conference play numbers, btw -

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grayson-allen-1.html

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Yeah Allen is at the bottom of my list as well.  Good quickness and athleticism, but he's gotta shoot to make it in the NBA and he just hasn't developed that game in 4 years at Duke.

Too many questions about Mitchell Robinson for me as well, although he's one of those guys you have to trust the staff on, because there's so little info about him for guys like us.