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QuoteThe policy of separating children from their parents is terrible. It is an awful policy, and should be ended. America stands for something better, something more decent. I think most agree it is terrible but quit pretending that America stands for better. All it does is show how ignorant you are of our history. We had genocide of the Indian, Slavery and even more brutal removal operations like Operation Wetback in the 1950s where we used the Army.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_WetbackIt is pretty clear that some folks in this thread are pretty ignorant regarding our dark history. So forgive me if I laugh when you say what America stands for.
The policy of separating children from their parents is terrible. It is an awful policy, and should be ended. America stands for something better, something more decent.
In these situations, we are best off making sure there are consequences, but that we don't crush people. We can't really win here. The best we can do is to put up appropriate resistance and live with the human limitations.
For a long time I was concerned if we didn't have strong borders we could go the way of Rome when they could no longer defend themselves from the barbarians surrounding them. I felt you need to follow the law and give to God what is God's but also give to Rome what is Rome's, and I've lived my whole life trying to serve two masters this way. But it doesn't always work to serve two masters. People don't realize at one point a huge mistake Rome made was to take advantage of their neighbors. The Romans traded the Goths desperately needed food for the requested asylum from other barbarians, and also, in exchange, separated Gothic children from their families. This didn't show strength of the Romans, but rather weakness. It emboldened and angered their enemies and only a couple years later in battle they lost almost two thirds of their force and their emperor was killed. This policy does not serve God and it does not serve Rome. We are setting a trap of cruelty for ourselves.
Rome was an empire entirely of conquest so they took barbarians into their armies for a very very long time. Incorporating non Romans into their army around 362 AD was not much different than what they had done in 50BC, when they had plenty of discipline.
Quote from: Greenback on June 20, 2018, 06:43:33 AMhttps://encyclopedic.co.uk/nolte-media-admit-goal-is-to-replace-trump-voters-with-illegal-aliens/The article itself is way too hysterical, but I think thatís a large part of why Democrats are so pro-illegal immigrant: ultimately, those illegal immigrants have legal children, who vote at least 3-to-1 Democrat. Itís one of the reasons that Democrats are becoming more a party of identity politics, and are abandoning the white working class.
The Roman army, long garrisoned along the imperial frontiers, had begun to decay. Many of the frontier posts had become large towns with large civilian contingents within them. Training and discipline declined. By the second century not more than one percent of the Roman army was comprised of native Italians, the rest being drawn from other nationalities of the empire still strongly socialized to Roman values and methods. By the middle of the third century, however, the army had become hollow, and the German tribes broke through in great numbers to settle large tracts of imperial land.The Roman response was to reorganize the army with militia troops, the limitani, garrison the forts, and hold strong horse-born reserves at key garrisons within the empire that could rush to a point of penetration and stop the enemy advance. Most of the army by this time was comprised of barbarian soldiers in the pay of Rome. As Roman reliance upon these barbarian military forces grew, the organizational structure and values of the legion began to erode until, by the 4th century, the legions were no longer organized along traditional Roman lines. Instead, they reflected barbarian weapons, tactics, values, and were commanded by their own tribal chiefs. The fiction that they were paid allies of Rome continued until the 5th century when renewed waves of barbarian invasions crashed over Europe, effectively putting an end to the Roman military system.The gradual barbarization of the legions had an enormous impact on Roman military organization. The decline in the administrative and support structure of the legion led to its replacement with a number of barbarian military practices. In effect, the tribal military forces within the empire became a state within a state that was beyond the power of the central Roman state apparatus to control
Specifically, 61 percent think that current border security is inadequate, and more than half of Americans ó 54 percent ó support a physical barrier along the southern U.S. border. A stunning 65 percent of Americans support a DACA deal that ends chain migration, eliminates the random visa lottery and secures the border with a wall. Only 35 percent of Americans did not agree.Nearly 70 percent of Americans oppose the visa lottery which allows immigrants to be picked at random for entry into the country. In fact, nearly 80 percent of Americans believe that immigration should be based on merit and skills, not just family ties.
many people had so much freedom and opportunity. Our political class just p---es all over it. They donít respect it or protect it. They canít negotiate a trade agreement to save their lives, their policies have us $20 trillion in debt and they couldnít secure a table in a restaurant, let alone a border or a nation. They should all be fired for gross negligence and dereliction of duty. Good job guys - youíre all running around up in Washington patting yourselves on the back - at least when theyíre not throwing political mud at each other like a bunch of four year olds
Polls that I read right now 66% are against separating families. I could not find a more recent one on the bottom one.https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/immigration-trump-approval/index.htmlBut polls also indicate that a majority in both parties favor securing the border.https://www.rollcall.com/politics/poll-voters-want-border-security-path-citizenship
Just to, once again, avoid saying what's actually on my mind, I'll ask -
Bottom line, America is against the separating families but it seems the majority favor securing the border. The seperating families thing will get fixed with it the Dems have the edge but if it is a lot of people will shift back as most favor security.
Thatís the rub. Iím appalled by the ďcatch and releaseĒ (into the United States) policies. Zero tolerance is exactly how we should be securing our border.