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Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« on: June 10, 2018, 01:16:47 AM »

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Raptors receive: Wiggins, Deng, Ball (edit: 19, 21 first round Laker picks)

Lakers receive: DeRozan

Timberwolves receive: Lowry

Each team will solve issues here; Raptor will rebuild with Wiggins locked in to a long term deal and given he is a Canadian star even if they struggle you will still get bums in seats, given they are rebuilding they can happily take Deng's poison contract and with it the sweetener of Ball.

Lakers get rid of the Ball headache and given they want to compete now he was obvious not ready and shows LeBron you are serious about fighting for a championship and bringing in all-star DeRozan is a nice step. During the past season Ingram has excelled at point guard and would make the perfect compliment to a DeRozan, James, George starting line up.

It's obvious that Wiggins is the weak link for Thibs and a swap for Lowry solves all issues including leadership and defence, a core of Lowry, Butler and Towns is much more balanced.
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Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 01:30:43 AM »

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What did the Raptors ever do to you?  Wiggins for Lowry is not too bad but Deng and Ball for Derozan is horrible. 

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 01:32:11 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 01:37:09 AM »

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What did the Raptors ever do to you?  Wiggins for Lowry is not too bad but Deng and Ball for Derozan is horrible.

Obviously there could be a first or two thrown in but you've got to look at DeRozen's market value who needs him atm that could offer Toronto anything? Ball on the other hand is still very young and is a valuable commodity even with his shooting problems, I was never a fan of his for the Celtics but the level of hate towards him has clouded the fact that he is a blue chip talent.
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Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 01:43:22 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 02:11:01 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.

Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 02:21:17 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.

Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move

Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2018, 02:36:33 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
I wouldn't take on Deng's contract for Ball.  Giving up Derozan in that trade would be nuts.  Any 1sts would be in the 20s so not worth much.  If they put Derozan on the market, they'd get a good return. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2018, 02:45:17 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.

Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move

Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2018, 03:03:16 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.

Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move

Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all

Lonzo Ball ranks 26th in defensive rating, 13th in steals and 26th in defensive win share he is not a poor defender, his shooting is his main concern but so is Simmons and many other rookies in history. You seem to also forget that no one wanted Lowry or DeRozen in their youth but were developed and I would honestly like to hear a better return for DeRozen who is currently in his prime and on a max deal and is also a poor shooter.

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2018, 03:18:45 AM »

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Raptors front office would be mad to do this

Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.

Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move

Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all

Lonzo Ball ranks 26th in defensive rating, 13th in steals and 26th in defensive win share he is not a poor defender, his shooting is his main concern but so is Simmons and many other rookies in history. You seem to also forget that no one wanted Lowry or DeRozen in their youth but were developed and I would honestly like to hear a better return for DeRozen who is currently in his prime and on a max deal and is also a poor shooter.
Nene has a better defensive rating than Al Horford, so youíll excuse me if I donít regard that as a telling defensive stat. Same goes with defensive win shares, with both Simmons and Mitchell having more than Jrue Holiday, who wasnít arguably the best guard defender this season.
Just because other poor shooters have developed a shot doesnít mean Lonzo was. For someone who actually attempts 3ís heís got the most broken shooting form Iíve ever seen.
Iím advocaring that Toronto donít move DeRozan, so Iím not going to try and think of a better trade involving him

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 04:29:06 AM »

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I think this trade is great for all teams and it makes sense from the hometown perspective. I love it. TP OP

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2018, 05:41:27 AM »

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I'd do the Lowery deal no doubt but dont see Wolves having 19 million dollar Teague come off the bench. If they can flip Teague it makes sense.

No on DeRozan from Raptors perspective. Just no value in that deal for them. DeRozan is a top 5 SG and legit max player. You don't deal him for a bad contract and Ball.

How about just Raptors and Wolves deal
Lowry and Ibaka
for
Teague and Wiggins.

Raptors=Teague, DeRozan, Wiggins, Si, Val
Wolves=Lowry, Crawford, Butler, Ibaka, Towns
It's a shake up but I don't think it changes much.
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SG-McCollum, Connaughton, Wilcox
SF-Fournier, Harkless, Layman
PF-Aminu, Davis
C- Nurkic, Leonard, Collins

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2018, 09:00:14 AM »

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Why would a Celtics Fan make a trade to help the Lakers?  Name one good reason....

Re: Trade that would kill three birds with one stone
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2018, 09:45:55 AM »

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Yikes.

Terrible for the Raptors.

Even worse for the Wolves. Lowry and Tuegue both tying up 40 mil at their PG slot. No thanks.
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