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if we could only sign one of these guys with the mid level exception, who would you prefer?

Dewayne Dedmon
4 (8.7%)
Nerlens Noel
4 (8.7%)
Trevor Booker
1 (2.2%)
Brook Lopez
6 (13%)
Tyreke Evans
12 (26.1%)
JJ Redick
6 (13%)
Rajon Rondo
4 (8.7%)
Wayne Ellington
0 (0%)
Michael Beasley
1 (2.2%)
Derrick Favors
8 (17.4%)
Fred Van Fleet
0 (0%)

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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2018, 11:16:18 AM »

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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2018, 11:18:12 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2018, 11:23:25 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2018, 11:27:30 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2018, 11:29:53 AM »

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I think the focus needs to be on a big.  Right now, our "big" rotation is pretty up in the air:

Under Contract actual bigs:
Horford
Theis

Under Contract "but":
Morris (kind of a swing)
Ojeleye (still developing)
Yabusele (still developing)
Tatum (I don't see him as a regular big)

So really all we have is Horford and Theis with Morris.  I don't think we can count on Ojeleye and Yabusele for regular rotation minutes, certainly not for a playoff run.  Horford is a legit starter.  Theis and Morris are probably better off the bench.  We need a starting level big added.  I don't think Tatum is a starting level big.  I like Baynes, we could get by with him.  Favors may be a good fit but I don't see us having the money to match what he will command.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2018, 11:30:30 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.

Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldnít count on that trade.

The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len.  Iím not sure what market heís going to see.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 11:31:14 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?

I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..

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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 11:33:48 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.

Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldnít count on that trade.

The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len.

I've been advocating Len for 2 years now. Great value. Still developing.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 11:34:19 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

Why would adding a pick change the salary situation?

I would think several teams would love him as a 5.4 mill 1 -year rental..

Iím sure there are several teams that would love him.  The problem is those teams donít have the cap space to absorb his contract without sending salary back to us (which we donít want since thatís the entire point of the deal).  Literally half the league could be in the luxury tax next year ó cap space for absorbing contracts will be at a huge premium.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 11:40:10 AM »

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We will be foregoing the MLE this year.  People should not get their hopes up.

what makes you say that?

I think Marcus Smart will be deemed more important than any player signable via the MLE, and because we have to leave salary space to match an offer sheet, we will miss out on the MLE market (however, doing so will likely bring down Smartís price to something that provides better value).

The only player to think about is Nerlens, because no team should give him any kind of money resembling the MLE, and he may be willing to take 1-year at the minimum to prove his value with the right situation.  Itís not impossible to believe Boston could be that situation, given their history of raising the value of other players in the past, and Nerlensí Boston roots.

So everyone was banking on us using the Mid-level to re-sign Baynes..

How does he fit in to the picture?

He doesnít unless the team finds out about Smart very quickly.  And even then Iím not sure he does.

I know people like Baynes, but his best role seems to be as a starter playing reserve minutes.  But I find it tough to believe that (without a major trade) the starting lineup wonít be Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford, which relegates Baynes to a bench role that doesnít necessarily fit what we need from him.  Assuming we keep Smart and make no trades, the primary reserves are Smart, Rozier, Morris, and Theis.  Thatís a solid 9-man rotation, with Ojeleye also deserving of regular minutes.  The MLE is a lot of money to spend on someone in the 8-10 spot of your rotation.  The rest of the minutes can be given to Yabusele and our 1st for developmental purposes, Bird and Nader can get Gino-time minutes, and thatís 14 guys right there.  That 15th spot either beings to someone on the minimum who gets a chance to earn his way into the back of the rotation (a la Larkin last year), or doesnít get used as the team waits for the February buyout market.

If you want to keep Baynes, you need to hope that Ainge finds a new home for Morris, as that creates both the salary space and the room in the rotation.

With Hayward back (and a much stronger Tatum), I would reluctantly pull the trigger on a Morris deal in order to bring Baynes back. Embiid will be a BIG part of next year's playoffs.

Are you willing to send out a draft pick with Morris to make this happen?  There are very few teams that could absorb his contract, cheap tho it is.

I feel like the Magic would be willing to send a 2nd rounder for Morris and absorb their contract.

Depends what direction the Magic want to go this year, but I wouldnít count on that trade.

The name, in addition to Nerlens, that people should look at for a short deal to build value is Alex Len.

I've been advocating Len for 2 years now. Great value. Still developing.

Same here, they keep wasting his talents.. TP to ya!
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2018, 12:01:43 PM »

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where's the option for Baynes since the MLE is likely the only option we have for resigning him?   considering what he brings consistantly - tough post defense and rebounding - not to mention a newly found 3 point shot, he'd be worth it.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2018, 12:17:51 PM by slamtheking »

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2018, 12:13:52 PM »

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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 12:20:52 PM »

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Dewayne Dedmon is the best realistic player in this list (Redick isn't taking MLE). If you thought Monroe was bad, Brook Lopez would get even less minutes on our team. Waste of a roster slot.

Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 12:25:31 PM »

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I've been a fan of Noel for a long time.  He's my vote.
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Re: Favorite MLE Candiate?
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2018, 12:26:36 PM »

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Dewayne Dedmon is the best realistic player in this list (Redick isn't taking MLE). If you thought Monroe was bad, Brook Lopez would get even less minutes on our team. Waste of a roster slot.

Monroe and Lopez are not remotely close offensively.