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Who is the GOAT?

MJ
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LJ
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other
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MJ vs LJ
« on: June 07, 2018, 03:08:59 AM »

Offline Androslav

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In the never-ending media discussion, MJ vs LJ debate is more present as LeBron's career is entering its final phase.

Everyone has their own opinion.
I still rank MJ above all. I saw his domination over opponents; both physical and mental, and then he repeated it until he got bored. Twice.
In my memories, he destroyed some guys thoroughly, like destroyed and then some. Drexler, Barkley, Ewing, Malone/Stockton, but in truth the whole league.
Along the same lines, I could easily imagine the two meeting in a playoff round, and then MJ maniacally competitive as he is, eats LBJs liver. Hannibal Lecter, Kayser Soze style. And in the end, LeBron ends up being remembered as the one who challenged Mike and failed miserably as all the others.
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Minor league pitchers challenged Jordan all the time and rarely failed
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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.

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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.
Celtics without Kyrie and Gordon wouldn't get swept by Warriors.
Mike wouldn't too, maybe if he had the 86' team or something like that.
His 90ies teams, the unstopabulls? Not-a-chance.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2018, 05:40:50 AM by Androslav »
"The joy of the balling under the rims."

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Minor league pitchers challenged Jordan all the time and rarely failed
Yea ;)
Mike also can't swim, as far as I know, so I would severely outswim him.
But lets stick to orange balls and rims.
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I voted other, but that’s a different discussion.

For me, LeBron would have to drastically change his ways to become the GOAT. Chiefly, he’d have to start playing defence for more than 20% of the game. MJ was an absolute terror defensively night in night out - with the tools LBJ has he should be too, but he chooses to rest on that end instead.

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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.

No they won't, especially if GSW is playing with the illegal defense and hand check rules.

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Jordan won when it mattered more and took over games more.   

LeBron is more of a  Wilt type in that he is a juggernaut, who produces out of this world stats but does not always win when it matters most.  My hate is off to him this year though because he has really carried a crappy team to the finals.

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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.
The Warriors have yet to sweep a single series this year, but they would sweep Jordan's Bulls? Hmm. Maybe it's time to go back into retirement.
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Jordan won when it mattered more and took over games more.   

LeBron is more of a Wilt type in that he is a juggernaut, who produces out of this world stats but does not always win when it matters most.  My hate is off to him this year though because he has really carried a crappy team to the finals.
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I see what you mean, he is kind of bigger than his own team and that is Witlish. He also has otherworldly body and strength, just like Wilt had. Even though Mike really WAS the league after Bird/Magic era, when BB took the whole world after Barcelona '92, but I never saw him as bigger than his own team. Like there was Mike, but also Scotty, Horace, Dennis, Phi...With Lebron its always Lebron the player/Gm/coach, others are just like extras passing around him.

I respect LBJ for this finals appearance too, even though I find his 2007 finals team weaker than this 2018 version. Lebron had the older software, but fresher and more explosive hardware. Still, somehow this team that has an Allstar and ex-champs is considered his worst. I think that is an example of the recency bias.
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MJ just plain had "it" more than LeBron ever will.  No stats can ever quantify the "it" factor.  "It" is purely subjective, but once one recognizes "it" in one person, he can recognize the "it" deficiency in others.

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MJ just plain had "it" more than LeBron ever will.  No stats can ever quantify the "it" factor.  "It" is purely subjective, but once one recognizes "it" in one person, he can recognize the "it" deficiency in others.
Exactly. You can't point to anything as evidence for "it", but it's definitely there with MJ

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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.
Celtics without Kyrie and Gordon wouldn't get swept by Warriors.
Mike wouldn't too, maybe if he had the 86' team or something like that.
His 90ies teams, the unstopabulls? Not-a-chance.

No chance Jordan gets swept by the Warriors.

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FWIW, MJ would get swept by this Warriors team too.

See I'm not so sure. If you put him with the same teammates then I can agree but that misses something much larger.

MJ would not have supported TT in getting that huge contract, he would have forced him out of town if he wouldn't take less. Same with JR, but if JR was still there, no way in hell does MJ let him dribble the ball out to the halfway line. He'd be ripping the ball out of JRs hands the moment he turned away from the basket.

Lebron made this team what it is, the players are here because he wanted them there. MJ never had that power nor desired it, that made him greater.

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I've got a top 5: Russell, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Lebron. I think any of those 5 could be the GOAT. If I'm in a charitable mood, Kareem can make it a top 6 some days.

MJ is probably the GOAT but I think opening up the discussion is good. For too long, everyone has talked as though MJ's status is unimpeachable and no one is even close to his level. I don't think that's true.
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