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If someone offers Bird a multi-year deal, how much are you willing to match per?

Rookie Min
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Jabari Bird is a RFA
« on: June 07, 2018, 01:48:01 AM »

Offline trickybilly

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I really like Bird. He could be a victim of roster crunch, but I'd love to see him get a two or three year deal. We have all sorts of cap considerations at the moment, so curious to know if anyone shares my Bird-watching habit. Or am I just delusional-nostalgic about the 80's?
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Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2018, 01:50:54 AM »

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I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 03:08:54 AM »

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He'll either sign another 2 way contract or come for the vet min. I can't see anything more than that

Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 08:57:27 AM »

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He played a grand total of 115 NBA minutes last year and averaged 3 ppg. He's also about to turn 24. It's hard for me to envision him getting more than a minimum offer from anyone, if one comes at all.

I hope he comes back to the Celtics, though, as he can definitely be useful on a good contract.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2018, 09:04:17 AM »

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Sign him to one year max deal, then trade him for LeBron.  ;D

Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2018, 09:13:09 AM »

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I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless

To be clear, hes eligible for the rookie minimum, not a veteran minimum.  He technically has 0 years of NBA service from a contract perspective.
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2018, 09:14:39 AM »

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I don't see him getting a big money deal. I think we should offer him the Vet Min regardless

To be clear, hes eligible for the rookie minimum, not a veteran minimum.  He technically has 0 years of NBA service from a contract perspective.
Right, my bad. Can't say I was paying much attention. Rookie minimum would be perfect I reckon

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2018, 09:16:31 AM »

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I don't imagine demand is high for Bird, so I think something along the lines of the rookie minimum is all that it would take. I'd like to keep him for depth and continuity. But he is currently buried behind our depth at the wing spots. Maybe if Marcus Smart leaves, Bird can grab some of his off-ball minutes? Not sure.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2018, 09:18:21 AM »

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Give him 2 years at the minimum. I think he can play. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 09:34:14 AM »

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Rookie minimum.

He hasn't shown much to justify anything else. Plus he's not the sort of player you go into the tax for and limit your exceptions/options.

Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2018, 09:36:54 AM »

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I fully expect Bird to be a Celtic or in Maine next year.  To clarify:

His qualifying offer is $50,000, which if he accepts it means he can be a 2-way player again next year.  Needless to say, the Celtics will extend him the QO.

Restricted free agents tend to have a limited market as is.  Bird is not likely to be an exception to this.  Accordingly, I expect he and the Celtics will come to a deal that is structured similar to the Nader and Ojeleye deals 4 years, year 1 fully guaranteed and at an amount somewhere betweeen the rookie minimum and the year 2 minimum, minimum every other year, partially guaranteed in year 2, non-guaranteed in years 3&4, team option year 4.  This signing requires use of some of the MLE.

The way things get dicey is as follows:

1) They use a very large amount of the MLE on someone else (Baynes), leaving too little to match an offer sheet from another team (Bird wont get one as long as the Celtics have a couple million of the MLE to spend, but once its below $2 million a team might take a chance).

2) They use most of the big MLE on a free agent, exposing them to the hardcap, and get too close to it after taking care of Smart.

3) They preserve the MLE, but after signing Smart are only around $1.5 million from the tax, allowing another team to force the Celtics to choose between Bird and hitting the tax a year early.

I think all of the above is unlikely.  The Celtics are going to sign Bird or someone else to fill the roster spot.  As long as Bird signs for below the minimum for a player with two years of experience, he will be the cheaper option against the tax and hard cap this season.  Knowing this, the Cs will make a competitive offer to Bird from the outset to get him under contract.  This lets them know how much room they have with Smart, so they can get him taken care of.  In an ideal world, they will come to an agreement with Smart in time to enter the rest of the free agent market for a big, but I think that the Smart situation will drag on for a while.  Well be left looking for a bargain basement big (although if we get a second Theis, I think everyone will be quite happy with a bargain basement big).
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 09:40:34 AM »

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As Saltlover said, he's eligible for the rookie minimum, which he definitely deserves.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2018, 09:43:19 AM »

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Bird on a 4 year deal would be great

Re: Jabari Bird is a RFA
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2018, 09:51:08 AM »

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With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 09:52:56 AM »

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With the team we have now, he wont see any playing time
Larkin isn't a certainty for next season. I'd like Bird as a potential replacement for that. Or, hopefully, Nader gets tossed and Bird takes his garbage minutes