Marcus Smart RFA [Merged - finalizing 4 year deal]

[Vermont Green]

65 million at 5 yrs. would start at $10,743,802 with max raises
60 million at 5 yrs. $9,917,355
55 million at 5 yrs. $9,090,909
50 million at 5 yrs. $8,264,463

52 million at 4 yrs. $11,231,102
48 million at 4 yrs. $10,367,171
44 million at 4 yrs. $9,503,240
40 million at 4 yrs. $8,639,309

39 million at 3 yrs. $11,764,706
36 million at 3 yrs. $10,859,729
33 million at 3 yrs. $9,954,751
30 million at 3 yrs. $9,049,774

Need to get that first year down around $8M or we go over the tax line.  I don't think the Celtics will or should go over  the tax this year for Smart.  4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M.  Even offer an opt out after two seasons potentially.

[Roy H.]

65 million at 5 yrs. would start at $10,743,802 with max raises
60 million at 5 yrs. $9,917,355
55 million at 5 yrs. $9,090,909
50 million at 5 yrs. $8,264,463

52 million at 4 yrs. $11,231,102
48 million at 4 yrs. $10,367,171
44 million at 4 yrs. $9,503,240
40 million at 4 yrs. $8,639,309

39 million at 3 yrs. $11,764,706
36 million at 3 yrs. $10,859,729
33 million at 3 yrs. $9,954,751
30 million at 3 yrs. $9,049,774

Need to get that first year down around $8M or we go over the tax line.  I don't think the Celtics will or should go over  the tax this year for Smart.  4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M.  Even offer an opt out after two seasons potentially.

That’s the ideal, but we can free up more money by waiving Nader or dumping Yabu on a team with cap room.  I think we’d need to get over $10 million AAV for Smart to even consider a deal.

[Vermont Green]

65 million at 5 yrs. would start at $10,743,802 with max raises
60 million at 5 yrs. $9,917,355
55 million at 5 yrs. $9,090,909
50 million at 5 yrs. $8,264,463

52 million at 4 yrs. $11,231,102
48 million at 4 yrs. $10,367,171
44 million at 4 yrs. $9,503,240
40 million at 4 yrs. $8,639,309

39 million at 3 yrs. $11,764,706
36 million at 3 yrs. $10,859,729
33 million at 3 yrs. $9,954,751
30 million at 3 yrs. $9,049,774

Need to get that first year down around $8M or we go over the tax line.  I don't think the Celtics will or should go over  the tax this year for Smart.  4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M.  Even offer an opt out after two seasons potentially.

That’s the ideal, but we can free up more money by waiving Nader or dumping Yabu on a team with cap room.  I think we’d need to get over $10 million AAV for Smart to even consider a deal.

4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M with an opt out is still a better deal than just the QO.  He is protected against injury and has an opportunity to reenter the market at a more favorable time (assuming he stays healthy and plays well).  Now if someone else offers him more, so be it, he should take the offer and go play somewhere else with no hard feelings.  I like Smart and hope we keep him at the right price but I don't see it as the end of the world if we are not able to.

[footey]

If it’s true that Smart rejected 12 per for 4 years last season, would be hard to imagine him accepting less than that now. If his agent advised him to reject that initial offer, he has a lot on the line as well.

[Moranis]

If it’s true that Smart rejected 12 per for 4 years last season, would be hard to imagine him accepting less than that now. If his agent advised him to reject that initial offer, he has a lot on the line as well.

Noel reportedly rejected a 17.5 million a year contract and what did he sign for this summer.  Sometimes money that was once on the table is no longer there. 

[Csfan1984]

If it’s true that Smart rejected 12 per for 4 years last season, would be hard to imagine him accepting less than that now. If his agent advised him to reject that initial offer, he has a lot on the line as well.

Noel reportedly rejected a 17.5 million a year contract and what did he sign for this summer.  Sometimes money that was once on the table is no longer there.

Especially if a player doesn't improve much. Early money is based on potential.

[TheSundanceKid]

65 million at 5 yrs. would start at $10,743,802 with max raises
60 million at 5 yrs. $9,917,355
55 million at 5 yrs. $9,090,909
50 million at 5 yrs. $8,264,463

52 million at 4 yrs. $11,231,102
48 million at 4 yrs. $10,367,171
44 million at 4 yrs. $9,503,240
40 million at 4 yrs. $8,639,309

39 million at 3 yrs. $11,764,706
36 million at 3 yrs. $10,859,729
33 million at 3 yrs. $9,954,751
30 million at 3 yrs. $9,049,774

Need to get that first year down around $8M or we go over the tax line.  I don't think the Celtics will or should go over  the tax this year for Smart.  4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M.  Even offer an opt out after two seasons potentially.

That’s the ideal, but we can free up more money by waiving Nader or dumping Yabu on a team with cap room.  I think we’d need to get over $10 million AAV for Smart to even consider a deal.

4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M with an opt out is still a better deal than just the QO.  He is protected against injury and has an opportunity to reenter the market at a more favorable time (assuming he stays healthy and plays well).  Now if someone else offers him more, so be it, he should take the offer and go play somewhere else with no hard feelings.  I like Smart and hope we keep him at the right price but I don't see it as the end of the world if we are not able to.

Is it? Everyone likes to bring up the Noel example but that was a silly contract to offer him in the first instance, he was never worth that.

There are as many examples of players locking in at a low rate and becoming discontent when they exceed that production. That's part of the business.

The league is going to be flush with cash next year, lots of teams will line up for the stars and when they get disappointed some will overpay on role players. If I was Smart then I would bank on that, take the QO and see if I can nail down the 3 in that time.

Ultimately I think the only ways Smart is back is the QO or if we give him the $12m he wants and we limit the deal to 3 years. Then if we want to remain under the tax, which I believe we do, we would trade Morris to a team with cap space or an exception.

[Vermont Green]

4 years for about $38M, starting at $8M with an opt out is still a better deal than just the QO.  He is protected against injury and has an opportunity to reenter the market at a more favorable time (assuming he stays healthy and plays well).  Now if someone else offers him more, so be it, he should take the offer and go play somewhere else with no hard feelings.  I like Smart and hope we keep him at the right price but I don't see it as the end of the world if we are not able to.

Is it? Everyone likes to bring up the Noel example but that was a silly contract to offer him in the first instance, he was never worth that.

There are as many examples of players locking in at a low rate and becoming discontent when they exceed that production. That's part of the business.

The league is going to be flush with cash next year, lots of teams will line up for the stars and when they get disappointed some will overpay on role players. If I was Smart then I would bank on that, take the QO and see if I can nail down the 3 in that time.

Ultimately I think the only ways Smart is back is the QO or if we give him the $12m he wants and we limit the deal to 3 years. Then if we want to remain under the tax, which I believe we do, we would trade Morris to a team with cap space or an exception.

I think so.  If he plays well and is healthy, he can still opt out in the prime of his career and go for a big contract.  If he gets hurt, he has the insurance policy of the full 4 years.

He may roll the dice and take the 1 year QO.  If he decides to do that, good for him.  I wouldn't do that.  Rondo could have extended also but didn't and ended up with a lot less money.  You never know how things will work out.  There are both good and bad examples of any choice.  Marcus will probably be fine either way.

[nickagneta]

I can't help but wonder if a 4 year deal is even still on the table from the Celtics. Ainge is obviously waiting for some other team to offer that 4 year deal to Smart to decide to match or not, but I wonder if because of the lack of interest and no one offering a 4 year deal to Smart if a 4 year deal is off the table right now.

[Evantime34]

I can't help but wonder if a 4 year deal is even still on the table from the Celtics. Ainge is obviously waiting for some other team to offer that 4 year deal to Smart to decide to match or not, but I wonder if because of the lack of interest and no one offering a 4 year deal to Smart if a 4 year deal is off the table right now.

This wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure Boston's preference is that he comes back at the QO so they can stay under the tax.

[MattyIce]

I think Nets are trying to free up cap space to make a offer on Smart.  We need to get something done before they have a chance right?

https://twitter.com/Mitch_Lawrence/status/1017135849702658048

Oklahoma City looking to get something for Carmelo Anthony and talking to Brooklyn about a deal, with Jeremy Lin potentially going to OKC, per sources. Nets looking to get pick(s). Want to move Lin and would buy out Melo.

[nickagneta]

I think Nets are trying to free up cap space to make a offer on Smart.  We need to get something done before they have a chance right?

https://twitter.com/Mitch_Lawrence/status/1017135849702658048

Oklahoma City looking to get something for Carmelo Anthony and talking to Brooklyn about a deal, with Jeremy Lin potentially going to OKC, per sources. Nets looking to get pick(s). Want to move Lin and would buy out Melo.

The Nets are trying to get future draft picks. You don't try to open up cap space by trading for a $28 million a year player and releasing him or buying him out. If the Nets were looking to free up space to sign a player there are easier ways than trading for Carmelo Anthony.

[mmmmm]

I think Nets are trying to free up cap space to make a offer on Smart.  We need to get something done before they have a chance right?

https://twitter.com/Mitch_Lawrence/status/1017135849702658048

Oklahoma City looking to get something for Carmelo Anthony and talking to Brooklyn about a deal, with Jeremy Lin potentially going to OKC, per sources. Nets looking to get pick(s). Want to move Lin and would buy out Melo.

The Nets are trying to get future draft picks. You don't try to open up cap space by trading for a $28 million a year player and releasing him or buying him out. If the Nets were looking to free up space to sign a player there are easier ways than trading for Carmelo Anthony.

I think the idea is that they would use the stretch provision on Anthony.  If waived before Aug 31, Anthony's remaining year can be stretched across 3 years, reducing the cap hit from 27.9M down to 9.3M per year.

So, if the Nets trade Lin (12.5M) plus, say Carroll (15.4M), for Anthony plus draft picks they can

clear a roster spot
waive Anthony and clear 18.6M of space

That's just one possibility.  Not saying I have any idea whether the Nets want to do this.

[Roy H.]

I think Nets are trying to free up cap space to make a offer on Smart.  We need to get something done before they have a chance right?

https://twitter.com/Mitch_Lawrence/status/1017135849702658048

Oklahoma City looking to get something for Carmelo Anthony and talking to Brooklyn about a deal, with Jeremy Lin potentially going to OKC, per sources. Nets looking to get pick(s). Want to move Lin and would buy out Melo.

The Nets are trying to get future draft picks. You don't try to open up cap space by trading for a $28 million a year player and releasing him or buying him out. If the Nets were looking to free up space to sign a player there are easier ways than trading for Carmelo Anthony.

I think the idea is that they would use the stretch provision on Anthony.  If waived before Aug 31, Anthony's remaining year can be stretched across 3 years, reducing the cap hit from 27.9M down to 9.3M per year.

So, if the Nets trade Lin (12.5M) plus, say Carroll (15.4M), for Anthony plus draft picks they can

clear a roster spot
waive Anthony and clear 18.6M of space

That's just one possibility.  Not saying I have any idea whether the Nets want to do this.

If the Nets wanted space to sign Smart, why wouldn’t they just waive and stretch Carroll on their own?  It’s extraneous to take back Carmelo, and would eat more into their future cap room.

And, why would OKC be interested in trading a $27 million contract for another $27 million in contracts?

[jmen788]

Maybe Brooklyn or one of these other teams can do us a favor and sign him to a 4 year deal at like 45-50 mil so we can match it.