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Re-sign him at a price over $14 mill. He does a lot for the team
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Too much money. The Limited offense isn't worth this much
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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #165 on: May 30, 2018, 11:32:01 AM »

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If Irving and Hayward are going to be healthy longterm C's,  Smart is quite perfect on this team...


I agree. I love Brown, and he's going to be a huge contributor for our team. But ideally, you can slot Smart with the starting or bench unit, and he would still do remarkably well. I think Brown is better off starting, so it complicates issues, even though I think he could certainly feast on 2nd units.
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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #166 on: May 30, 2018, 11:56:50 AM »

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Is anyone willing to believe that Marcus still has room to develop a better three point shot? Or is it time to give up on that dream?

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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #167 on: May 30, 2018, 12:00:49 PM »

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Is anyone willing to believe that Marcus still has room to develop a better three point shot? Or is it time to give up on that dream?

Lol

He is done developing

Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #168 on: May 30, 2018, 12:01:09 PM »

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Is anyone willing to believe that Marcus still has room to develop a better three point shot? Or is it time to give up on that dream?

Only real notable examples would be Kawhi and Patty Mills. Players who both didn't shoot well into their early seasons, and were meh in college.

I think at this point, Smart can be like Billups/JR. Smith, in that he'll always be up and down as a streaky shooter.
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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #169 on: May 30, 2018, 12:04:19 PM »

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Is anyone willing to believe that Marcus still has room to develop a better three point shot? Or is it time to give up on that dream?
It's time to stop caring.  Are we worried about Kyrie's rebounding?  Are we worried that Tom Brady can't tackle?  Worried about Steph Curry's questionable goatee?  No.  They're bada$s winners, like Marcus, and it's irrelevant.

Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #170 on: May 30, 2018, 12:07:21 PM »

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I can see the Celts offering 10, 11, 12 million 3 year deal

Smart is likely looking for 15 average per season. 

Danny offers the above, Smart says no.  Danny signs him to a qualifying offer then goes from there

If another team offers 14 + .....  I can't see Danny matching. Wyc won't pay luxury tax for a super role player like Smart

Smart could be the 1st key (or semi key) player Danny loses for nothing.   AB with 1 year remaining - traded.  KG/PP with minimal years remaining - traded.  Rondo with 1 year remaining -traded.    IT4 with 1 year remaining - traded.
I agree with this analysis, but I hope we keep him.  I think Smart would be foolish to part with Stevens over a couple million.  Smart's talent is fully realized in Steven's system and that's not a guarantee with most coaches.

Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #171 on: May 31, 2018, 12:32:44 PM »

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Great point.  If you look at the teams with Cap Space - the only place I see looking to sign him for $14m per year would be Indiana.  With the cap as flat as it's been - there just isn't room for most teams (including any contender) to sign him.  I think we end up getting him at 4 for $40m.

It doesn’t matter what he thinks he’s worth at this time. It’s what the market thinks he’s worth. His thinking might also lead to him turning down smaller offers or him signing the qualifying offer. So it might lead to a Nerlens Noel type of situation. I’d love to retain him because IMO he’s the heart and soul of this team.

Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #172 on: May 31, 2018, 12:37:32 PM »

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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #173 on: May 31, 2018, 12:39:02 PM »

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Great point.  If you look at the teams with Cap Space - the only place I see looking to sign him for $14m per year would be Indiana.  With the cap as flat as it's been - there just isn't room for most teams (including any contender) to sign him.  I think we end up getting him at 4 for $40m.

It doesn’t matter what he thinks he’s worth at this time. It’s what the market thinks he’s worth. His thinking might also lead to him turning down smaller offers or him signing the qualifying offer. So it might lead to a Nerlens Noel type of situation. I’d love to retain him because IMO he’s the heart and soul of this team.
Or he will take the QO and take his chances next season.
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Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #174 on: May 31, 2018, 01:00:32 PM »

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Great point.  With the Cap only going from $99m in '17 to $101m in '18 and then jumping to $108m next year, I bet we see a lot of guys sign qualifying offers to take advantage of the influx of cash that teams will have in 2019.

Great point.  If you look at the teams with Cap Space - the only place I see looking to sign him for $14m per year would be Indiana.  With the cap as flat as it's been - there just isn't room for most teams (including any contender) to sign him.  I think we end up getting him at 4 for $40m.

It doesn’t matter what he thinks he’s worth at this time. It’s what the market thinks he’s worth. His thinking might also lead to him turning down smaller offers or him signing the qualifying offer. So it might lead to a Nerlens Noel type of situation. I’d love to retain him because IMO he’s the heart and soul of this team.
Or he will take the QO and take his chances next season.

Re: Marcus Smart at $12-$14 million per year?
« Reply #175 on: May 31, 2018, 08:36:12 PM »

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Is anyone willing to believe that Marcus still has room to develop a better three point shot? Or is it time to give up on that dream?

at this point, I think his shooting is what it is. He really hasnt improved in that aspect at all in his years in the NBA.

« Last Edit: May 31, 2018, 08:56:07 PM by cman88 »

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #176 on: June 01, 2018, 06:15:01 AM »

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You know what happened to Curly Bill after that...............and I could see Marcus on another team getting ready to face Boston in the playoffs at some point in the future saying, "You tell the Celtics that I'm comin' and Hell's comin' with me !!"
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And then we would slack off him and watch him miss shots...

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Someone needs to reach out to Smart ASAP. Apparently he never got the memo "crack kills"!!

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This may have been answered already here but I am curious about the tax issues.  Assuming the entire team came back, what is the number (in terms of dollars) that we can also have Smart on the team and avoid whatever tax situation we would prefer to avoid this year?  And is the number is not exact, what is the ballpark number?

Thanks.