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Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2018, 12:56:16 AM »

Offline SCeltic34

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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:

"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".

I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor.  Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense.  We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet.  This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.

Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.

Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.

you really can't blame this on CBS.  The team held the Cavs to less than 90 points (one of the best in the series).  But couldn't score because guys like Rozier , Brown and AL went ice cold in the 4th (Rozier was ice cold all game).   The Cavs closed the middle and dared the Celts to shoot the open 3s

Players missed.  What is CBS suppose to do?

I didn't blame CBS for the loss.  But this has been a recurrence this season.  Basketball is a game of runs.  If anything, call a timeout to regroup to stop the hemorrhaging from bad stretches of basketball.  If the poor play continues, then that's that, but failing to intervene when you allow 10-2, 8-0 type of runs usually doesn't end well.


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Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2018, 12:58:52 AM »

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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:

"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".

I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor.  Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense.  We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet.  This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.

Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.

Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game.  Timeouts werenít going to make a difference.

We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter.  The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game. 

And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
The other team gets to o,an too.  And we also let Lebron rest.

Those are poor retorts.  So by that reasoning, coaches should basically never call a timeout out of fear that the opposing team gets to draw up a play too and their star players get rest.

You call timeouts to stop momentum at minimum, and if needed make substitutions or other adjustments based on what's going wrong.  You don't hesitate doing so because the other team can draw up a play and get their players rest.


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Pierce: "I called game."

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Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2018, 01:00:52 AM »

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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:

"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".

I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor.  Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense.  We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet.  This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.

Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.

Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.

Honestly, I thought that the game changed in the second quarter when the lead went from 12 to 2 or 4 in a matter of minutes where he should have called a timeout, only for him to eventually burn one and use the opportunity to draw up a play for a three by Jaylen Brown, who proceeded to miss it after coming right out of the huddle *facepalm*.

Like, that's the best that you could do? Really? ::)
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Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2018, 01:02:54 AM »

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Man, I have to say it.  Some of you people are positively nut jobs.  We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and itís the coaches fault?  Are you people crazy?!?

Was he was supposed to play Nader?  Or how about Larkin in street clothes?  You donít just tell players to be disciplined.  You donít just tell players to take good shots.  Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.

Wat? :P
Newsflash.  You canít tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey arenít and have it turn out well.  It will turn out worse.

Wait, so you can't instruct them to look for higher percentage shots? :o I'm not exactly advocating for brain surgery, here, lol, just some helpful pointers and notes concerning the team's overall strategy, such as perhaps emphasizing in timeouts to throw the ball into Horford whenever he was being guarded by George Hill, for example, which, not surprisingly, worked every single time and was available during many of the possessions where the team opted to continue to jack threes ::). If the players don't see those matchups, etc., on the court, then it's up to the, well, coach to point them out, otherwise why even bother having a head coach in the first place, lol? Is that really being so unreasonable?
There are a multitude of reasons to explain why certain things happen.  First, Rozier is not a good playmaker.  In fact, heís pretty craptacular most of the time.  He may simply be incapable of doing what want him to do consistently.  And, heís been playying this way the entire playoffs.  Canít whine now when it doesnít work. 

The bottom line is this.  Rozier was playing WAY over his head and was bound to come back to earth.  Tell me again how thatís the coaches fault?

And before you say okay smart, what, the whole game?  On average, heís worse offensive player than Rozier. 

Again, tell how itís the coaches fault that his below average offensive players played below average?

Like o said, some of you guys are complete loons.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #124 on: May 28, 2018, 01:03:41 AM »

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In any case, I'm proud of our team and I'm proud of Stevens.  This was a heck of a season.  Going to sleep it off.

Can't wait for next year.


Broussard: "Did you call bank?"
Pierce: "I called game."

- Paul Pierce on his game-winning buzzer beater, game 3 EC Semi-finals against the Atlanta Hawks

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #125 on: May 28, 2018, 01:05:17 AM »

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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:

"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".

I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor.  Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense.  We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet.  This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.

Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.

Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game.  Timeouts werenít going to make a difference.

We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter.  The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game. 

And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
The other team gets to o,an too.  And we also let Lebron rest.

Those are poor retorts.  So by that reasoning, coaches should basically never call a timeout out of fear that the opposing team gets to draw up a play too and their star players get rest.

You call timeouts to stop momentum at minimum, and if needed make substitutions or other adjustments based on what's going wrong.  You don't hesitate doing so because the other team can draw up a play and get their players rest.
We played bad basketball for three ENTIRE quarters.  Tell me again how a timeout would have made a difference?

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #126 on: May 28, 2018, 01:13:57 AM »

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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back



At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.

Huh?

I'll explain......I don't recall out team under doc playing dumb. I'm fact he preached against hero ball and stressed team above all.

This is not to say doc is better but to point out Brad has a weaknesswith this.

If we can't hold a coach accountable because " he's not missing shots" then no coach could ever be held accountable to how his team played.

A coach cannot allow 1 or 2 guys relentlessly take bad shots and be given a pass.

You make a statement to the team that you will not allow them to go rogue and cost you a game. Of you have to pull them and go big, then so be it. At least going into the next season the team knows who is in charge and that they ride and die by his game plan.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2018, 01:17:37 AM »

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Man, I have to say it.  Some of you people are positively nut jobs.  We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and itís the coaches fault?  Are you people crazy?!?

Was he was supposed to play Nader?  Or how about Larkin in street clothes?  You donít just tell players to be disciplined.  You donít just tell players to take good shots.  Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.

Wat? :P
Newsflash.  You canít tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey arenít and have it turn out well.  It will turn out worse.

Wait, so you can't instruct them to look for higher percentage shots? :o I'm not exactly advocating for brain surgery, here, lol, just some helpful pointers and notes concerning the team's overall strategy, such as perhaps emphasizing in timeouts to throw the ball into Horford whenever he was being guarded by George Hill, for example, which, not surprisingly, worked every single time and was available during many of the possessions where the team opted to continue to jack threes ::). If the players don't see those matchups, etc., on the court, then it's up to the, well, coach to point them out, otherwise why even bother having a head coach in the first place, lol? Is that really being so unreasonable?
There are a multitude of reasons to explain why certain things happen.  First, Rozier is not a good playmaker.  In fact, heís pretty craptacular most of the time.  He may simply be incapable of doing what want him to do consistently.  And, heís been playying this way the entire playoffs.  Canít whine now when it doesnít work. 

The bottom line is this.  Rozier was playing WAY over his head and was bound to come back to earth.  Tell me again how thatís the coaches fault?

And before you say okay smart, what, the whole game?  On average, heís worse offensive player than Rozier. 

Again, tell how itís the coaches fault that his below average offensive players played below average?

Like o said, some of you guys are complete loons.

Thanks! ;D Love you, too ::).

As for the rest, yeah, I think we've all known for quite some time, now, that Rozier is in no way, shape, or form any kind of a point guard, lol, hence why the offense usually runs through Horford, but beyond that, my overall point was as to why would you ever go away from what had been working, and especially in a game of this magnitude? That just doesn't make any sense to me, like at all, and besides, it wasn't like the Cavs had adjusted, or something, so why stop? Seriously, why?


Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #128 on: May 28, 2018, 01:23:02 AM »

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Man how crazy is this..

No Credit at all given to the Cavs Defense or To the fact that We had Zero answers for Lebron.  The guy played every minute of the game and hit every big shot..

I love Team basketball, it looks outstanding.. But in these kinds of games, you need a star who can flat out Carry you to a win because everybody in Game 7 can't do it..

IF you look through the history of Game 7s you will see tons and tons of players having horrible shooting nights.. It's the nature of the pressure.. Why do some of you feel like our 1st time starters would be immune to that pressure.. .

This was not a Brad Stevens thing.. This was a young team being outclassed by a bunch of old seasoned Vets... One of those Vets just happens to be in the conversation for the best to ever do it...

We weren't beating Lebron in a Game 7 with the kids... Not the first time around... Dues must be paid.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #129 on: May 28, 2018, 01:29:49 AM »

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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish

That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up.  Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.

Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault?  You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference?  Guys are what they are.  Brad had a better chance of talking to the ball and telling it to go in.

No, in the immediate you simply yank their arses out and put in someone else. For as poorly as Smart shot, he wouldn't have made 3-4 possessions like that that completely changed the game moving forward. In fact, he probably would've calmed the game down and tried making plays for someone else.

I believe we ended with two timeouts. That's just yet another example of Brad being too stingy with the timeouts earlier in the game and letting runs like that go and screwing us down the line. That should've been a timeout, a Rozier arse-chewing on the bench, and a substitution of Smart with an ATO drawn up to stop that run.

Instead Brad just left Rozier and Brown in, and we never really recovered and played catch-up the rest of the game. Yes, that is absolutely, 100% on Brad. That run never happens if Brad is proactive and makes the necessary adjustments to curb the poor decision-making.

Guys have bad games. Tatum has had bad playoff games. Horfrod has had bad games. Even Lebron had an awful game one. At this stage in the season you simply don't decide to yank Brown or Rozier because they are missing shots. And I disagree about the bad decision making, Rozier took a couple bad three particularly late in the game but by and large we didn't take bad shots.  You think Brad is gonna yank Brown after he misses a wide open 3 at the end of the half? HE WANTS BROWN TO TAKE THAT SHOT. We missed shots, Brown and Rozier should feel bad and use it as fuel to get better this offseaosn. Doing something stupid like benching your leading scorer for the series up to that point because he missed some shots is not good coaching.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2018, 03:26:25 AM »

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I love Stevens but he allowed 2 guys to shoot the team out the game. Tatum should've had at the least 25 FGAs because he was the only one who could score.

The same thing that helps this team is the same thing that hurt this team. That's knowing when to STOP shooting 3s and take the ball to the basket. Just a poorly coached game.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #131 on: May 28, 2018, 04:32:28 PM »

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Let me repeat

IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night

The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense.  They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots.  And the team kept missing good shots

Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.   

CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.


Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2018, 04:34:37 PM »

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I think we have to at least drop the genius label for a little while out of respect. Ty Lue survived game 6, and then went into Steven's house without Love. He found a way to go 4-1 when he was down 2-0.

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2018, 04:35:33 PM »

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Brown, Rozier, Smart choked

Morris and Horford were invisible in the 2nd half

this is why we lost

Also Ainge inability to make a trade for a Tyreke Evans or a bonafide 3 pt shooter/specialist

Re: Stevens this game is on you
« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2018, 04:41:35 PM »

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I'd love to see the timeout huddle where Stevens goes out and tells Rozier and Brown not to take wide open 3s. There were a few pretty bad shots throughout the game, but a good chunk of the threes they took can't be passed up based on percentages.