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At what point (playoff milestone) would you consider trading Irving? (poll)

If the Celtics make it to the finals
1 (2.2%)
If the Celtics win 2-3 game at the finals
0 (0%)
If the Celtics win the Championship
9 (20%)
Even if the Celts win the championship, Irving starts next season
35 (77.8%)

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Offline cman88

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because the best way to compete with the warriors and win a championship is to trade away your best players  ::) just for the heck of it

Offline ETNCeltics

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why trade Irving at all?  not seeing the point.  even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.

who starts/who finishes the games?  keep players egos in check?

Cap issues.  keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?

I don't think it will be as easy as you think
It's as easy as can be. You keep the cornerstone players and let ancillary role players get overpaid elsewhere.

Offline chiken Green

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The Warriors added Durant to a championship team..  Why couldn't we (per say) add Kyrie?

Offline triboy16f

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)

Offline gouki88

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (without Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
Yes. No matter what, if we are healthy Kyrie starts next year. Morris and Rozier are contracted for next year, so that isnít really relevant at all. And if Smart gets an offer over $10m/year then good for him, but we shouldnít keep him if so

Offline liam

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why trade Irving at all?  not seeing the point.  even if the C's win the title, having Kyrie and Hayward added to the active roster next year makes this an even better team.

who starts/who finishes the games?  keep players egos in check?

Cap issues.  keep most or all of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes or pay Kyrie 35 million a season?

I don't think it will be as easy as you think
It's as easy as can be. You keep the cornerstone players and let ancillary role players get overpaid elsewhere.

See Evan Turner:

"Evan Turner signed a 4 year / $70,000,000 contract with the Portland Trail Blazers, including $70,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $17,500,000. In 2017-18, Turner will earn a base salary of $17,131,148, while carrying a cap hit of $17,131,148 and a dead cap value of $53,606,557."


Offline cman88

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in the NBA haven't we learned that talent trumps role-players at the end of the day? You don't trade Irving because you worry about paying guys like Rozier/smart/baynes...

danny brought back 4 players from last year and we are more successful in the playoffs because of better talent.

if the goal is to compete for championships I see no reason to gut the team of talent because we can win without added talent.

the overreactions on this board are hilarious. we lose 2 games in cleveland...we should let smart walk, trade ROier for nothing. we win game 5. now lets trade irving so we can overpay smart/rozier!

Offline slamtheking

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe.   Rozier is still under contract next year.  Smart is not getting $15 mill a year.  who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player?  he won't help a team that's still rebuilding.  he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE?  Philly maybe.  they're looking for bigger fish than Smart. 

C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year.  hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $.  Nader is very likely gone next year.

as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out.  he's been doing a fine job so far.  I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.

Offline Fred Roberts

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Why are people focused on this topic. Kyrie is awesome and finally has that janky hardware out of his knee.

...i'm hoping for a surprise comeback ... not a trade!

Offline triboy16f

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe.   Rozier is still under contract next year.  Smart is not getting $15 mill a year.  who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player?  he won't help a team that's still rebuilding.  he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE?  Philly maybe.  they're looking for bigger fish than Smart. 

C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year.  hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $.  Nader is very likely gone next year.

as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out.  he's been doing a fine job so far.  I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.

Rumor is Danny already offered Smart 8 million per season and they shot it down

As the Celts keep winning his value keeps increasing. I think its already at 12 million per season

Miami signed KO for 12 million per season?  Smart is a better/more impact player even if KO offense is better

Offline Ogaju

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe.   Rozier is still under contract next year.  Smart is not getting $15 mill a year.  who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player?  he won't help a team that's still rebuilding.  he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE?  Philly maybe.  they're looking for bigger fish than Smart. 

C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year.  hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $.  Nader is very likely gone next year.

as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out.  he's been doing a fine job so far.  I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.

lol. Cs are not getting Smart for 8-10...no way. He is not a defense only player..he is a spark plug plus.

Offline cman88

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celts really only have to worry about re-signing Baynes/Smart...because Monroe really isn't worth paying IMO.

Offline liam

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe.   Rozier is still under contract next year.  Smart is not getting $15 mill a year.  who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player?  he won't help a team that's still rebuilding.  he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE?  Philly maybe.  they're looking for bigger fish than Smart. 

C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year.  hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $.  Nader is very likely gone next year.

as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out.  he's been doing a fine job so far.  I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.

I don't think Smart at this point a 15 million dollar a year player but Danny has to figure out how to add players once over the cap. Will have to figure into "trade money" and replacement value...

Offline triboy16f

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I would keep Irving regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Yep, my thoughts exactly

I just want to be clear

In your point of view, even if the Celts win the championship (with Irving), Kyrie starts next season.

It doesn't matter if 2-3 of Smart, Rozier, Morris, Baynes can't be brought back
I see zero reason they all can't come back as long as Smart and Baynes are realistic in their demands for a contract.

If the Celts win the championship....none of these players will be realistic in their demands for a contract.  And i wouldn't blame them.  Guessing  15 million a year for Smart/Rozier, 10 for Morris, 7 for Baynes
First off, Rozier and Morris are still signed through next year. It makes zero sense to trade them now, especially after a championship which would need to be defended. Second, 7 for Baynes is doable with the MLE. And lastly, good luck to Smart finding someone to pay him 15 million a year

Some good points.  I think if a championship is won, Smart/Rozier will get 15 million a year offers from a few lower/mid tier market teams

It will be interesting to see what happens because I don't believe such a situation ever happened before (two of your best players go down, but team still wins a championship)
first off, the players that C's have to be concerned about this offseason are Smart, Baynes and Monroe.   Rozier is still under contract next year.  Smart is not getting $15 mill a year.  who has the cap room over the MLE to spend on a defense-only player?  he won't help a team that's still rebuilding.  he'd help a contender but who's got more cap room that would exceed the MLE?  Philly maybe.  they're looking for bigger fish than Smart. 

C's will resign Smart for 8-10 mill per year.  hopefully get Baynes for the MLE -- might resign Monroe if Baynes signs elsewhere for more $.  Nader is very likely gone next year.

as for worrying about egos, playing time and cap issues == Let Danny figure that out.  he's been doing a fine job so far.  I'm pretty confident he'll handle it without having to trade our best player to keep a couple of role players signed and happy about their playing time/egos.

I don't think Smart at this point a 15 million dollar a year player but Danny has to figure out how to add players once over the cap. Will have to figure into "trade money" and replacement value...

Interesting point

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