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We're on the brink of the finals.  JT + JB are #1 and #2 on the team in playoff scoring at ages 19 and 21.  Jaylen holds the playoff record for youngest Celtic to score 30, and Tatum looks like he's going to break the all-time playoff scoring record for rookies.  Both could lead us in scoring in a finals game win if we can last 6 vs Houston/GS.

I know there's no real precedent for what they're doing, in terms of being the #1a and #1b options on a near-finals team at their ages, but is there any precedent in basketball history for two guys on the same team, both aged 22 and younger, accomplishing anything historic in terms of preferably both winning and statistics / having a major role, but really either suffices.

Like this is a poor example, but what about KG-Starbury in like 1997-98?  They were both early 20s and got a lot of hype.  They didn't win and they flamed out, but they did get some impressive numbers at their ages and more importantly, they were good enough to lead a team, along with Tom Guggliotta, at the age of 21, which is pretty unheard of.

Jerry West and Elgin Baylor were both young and on the Lakers, they might be a historic example to look at, but college players had to stay 4 years back then, so players before the late 70's are tough to compare because they were older when they played their first NBA game than JT and JB are now.  How about OKC's old core of Durant, Westbrook and Harden?

Is there anything we can look to in the past, to get a read on the significance on what these guys are accomplishing?  Even if the comparison isn't perfect?

 
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The 2010-11 Thunder made the WCF.  Westbrook and Durant were both 22 (RW in year 3, KD in year 4).  Harden and Ibaka were both 21 and in their 2nd year.  Those were the Thunder's 4 leading scorers (both in the playoffs and in the regular season after Jeff Green was traded).  The following season, the Thunder made the Finals (obviously all were a year older). 

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They were older in years lived, but Bird and McHale were first and second year players respectively when the Celts won the title in ‘81.

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Remember that win streak early in the season? It wasn't a fluke. These guys are winners


All time greats are amazing from the beginning usually

The Tatum +kings pick for Fultz  trade looks more lopsided by the day. It may go down in history As a top lopsided trade

My favorite thing about brown and Tatum is that when one is cold, the other one tends to have a hot hand. Sometimes they each have their own good quarter. Tatum dominates one half then Brown takes over the other half
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They were older in years lived, but Bird and McHale were first and second year players respectively when the Celts won the title in ‘81.

They were amazing. They are two of the best all time!

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Russell & Heinsohn played vital roles on the '57 title team as rookies.


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Tatum could very well be our Long-Lost Tim Duncan pick.

Brown? Definitely reminds me of a Reggie Lewis-type player. Long, rangy defender and can score.

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Tatum could very well be our Long-Lost Tim Duncan pick.

Brown? Definitely reminds me of a Reggie Lewis-type player. Long, rangy defender and can score.

I think the Basketball Gods are smiling on us finally.

Yeah, it really feels like the basketball gods gave us back the modern equivalents of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis.

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Rozier is 3rd at 23 and his 3rd year too. Really amazing run of picks.

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For what it's worth, here's a list of rookies in the 3 point era who have averaged 15 points per game or more in the playoffs for a team that plays at least 14 games:

Jayson Tatum
Magic Johnson


The list of 2nd year guys in the 3 point era to do it:

Dwyane Wade
Hakeem
Duncan
A. Toney
Reggie King
Xavier McDaniel
Penny
Deron
Roy Tarpley
Jaylen Brown
James Worthy
Byron Scott
Kenyon Martin
Glen Davis (Big Baby!)
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They were a bit older, but Shaq / Penny come to mind as very young guys that led a team to the Finals.


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Holy crap I forgot how much BBD scored in 2008-2009. [dang] efficiently too for such a limited player because he didn't turn it over or take that many shots. Almost all those 16 footers they gave to him or shots in the paint I bet.

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For what it's worth, here's a list of rookies in the 3 point era who have averaged 15 points per game or more in the playoffs for a team that plays at least 14 games:

Jayson Tatum
Magic Johnson


The list of 2nd year guys in the 3 point era to do it:

Dwyane Wade
Hakeem
Duncan
A. Toney
Reggie King
Xavier McDaniel
Penny
Deron
Roy Tarpley
Jaylen Brown
James Worthy
Byron Scott
Kenyon Martin
Glen Davis (Big Baby!)

Very good company (for the most part).

I wonder how many of those guys were as young as Tatum & Brown?
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Russell & Heinsohn played vital roles on the '57 title team as rookies.

Who is going for 37 points / 23 rebounds in Game 7 of the Finals this year?



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