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Re: All-Defensive Teams Announced - Horford 2nd Team
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2018, 03:04:49 PM »

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Most on this board think Smart is 1st team All-Defense and yet he just is never looked at that way nationally. Homerism?

If he isn't looked at as All-Defense across the league and is an atrocious offensive player, do the Celtics really have a problem in retaining him for cheap?

Smart's been all-defense before. I look at him as similar to Roberson and Beverly who have also been all-defense, are similarly recognized as superior defenders, are offensively challenged, and, according to Roberson's contract signed last summer, are worth about $10MM per year. Smart makes more highlight reel plays than the other two, but he also makes more bonehead plays too.
Smart was never voted All-Defense

Re: All-Defensive Teams Announced - Horford 2nd Team
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2018, 03:57:45 PM »

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Al Horford quarterbacks the best defense in the league, but only makes it onto the 2nd team.

Smart and Brown both received 1st Team All-Defense votes, but neither of them made it. Thought both were more deserving than Murray or Butler on a 12th ranked Spurs/TWolves defense.

Amazingly, Baynes didn't even get a single vote.

Disagree regarding Butler. He pretty is Minnesota's defense. He's more crucial to them on that end than I think Brown and Smart are here.
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2018, 04:30:16 PM »

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Most on this board think Smart is 1st team All-Defense and yet he just is never looked at that way nationally. Homerism?

If he isn't looked at as All-Defense across the league and is an atrocious offensive player, do the Celtics really have a problem in retaining him for cheap?

Smart's been all-defense before. I look at him as similar to Roberson and Beverly who have also been all-defense, are similarly recognized as superior defenders, are offensively challenged, and, according to Roberson's contract signed last summer, are worth about $10MM per year. Smart makes more highlight reel plays than the other two, but he also makes more bonehead plays too.
Smart was never voted All-Defense

I screwed up. I thought he had made it one year for some reason. He has consistently received votes, however.

Both Roberson and Beverly did make it as I had noted and I think the point about his next contract's size is still valid.

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2018, 04:36:28 PM »

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Didn’t IT receive one vote last year?  :P

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2018, 04:41:45 PM »

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I know the analytics people love him, but I think Covington is really overrated as a defender.

I’m glad Horford got recognized. Jaylen should have.

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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2018, 04:52:34 PM »

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I'm glad Smart did get much recognition and like when Mark Jackson bashes him.  I want him back for as little as possible.  I'm hoping for ten million per year and hopefully even less.  Glue/energy guys with poor stats don't usually get paid.

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2018, 05:01:00 PM »

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I know the analytics people love him, but I think Covington is really overrated as a defender.

I’m glad Horford got recognized. Jaylen should have.

You and me, brother.

And me. He gets a lot of deflections, but he also was exposed a bit in our series against him. He is not a complete player. Would be surprised if he makes another all-defensive team in his career

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2018, 05:13:38 PM »

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Unbelievable. When are they going to start respecting the Celtics..
when they win a title.

I am pretty sure he is referring to respecting the Celtics in regards to these awards. As far as I can see only 1 player on the 2nd team has won a title so the respect he is referring to has nothing to do with winning a title.

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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2018, 06:55:05 PM »

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Well according to CB Smart should make all universe so why can't he make the cut??

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2018, 07:15:48 PM »

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I know the analytics people love him, but I think Covington is really overrated as a defender.

I’m glad Horford got recognized. Jaylen should have.
Yeah the Covington love seems suspect. He got dominated on the defensive end that series and if you can't defend in big games I don't think you belong on first team all defense.

I get kind of annoyed when I see the Sixers have two first team all defensive players yet Boston has none, by that alone you would think that they had the better defense.
The Sixers only have 1 player (Covington) on the 1st team and he would have been 2nd team if Kawhi had been healthy. 

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2018, 07:34:53 PM »

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Congrats to him and well-deserved.

Here's hoping that he can anchor our defense for another 9 or 10 games THIS season and for the next 5 years or more.

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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2018, 07:53:28 PM »

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Covington making 1st team is ridiculous. He’s so overrated
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2018, 08:07:05 PM »

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Baynes won't get any votes and at his position which is "sexy" with Golbert, Davis, Embid, Green, Dejordan (am i forgetting anyone?) but man is he a cog, so important in a good(great) team defense with straight up rim protection.
Brown due to age didn't get proper notice.  Smart is one of the top man on wing defenders in nba but as a sub maybe he won't get proper recognition.  I am impressed Horford made it as I don't think he gets credit for his all around game.  The other big fundamental

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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2018, 08:29:55 PM »

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Covington making 1st team is ridiculous. He’s so overrated

What a joke

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2018, 08:37:33 PM »

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Most on this board think Smart is 1st team All-Defense and yet he just is never looked at that way nationally. Homerism?

If he isn't looked at as All-Defense across the league and is an atrocious offensive player, do the Celtics really have a problem in retaining him for cheap?

He also missed a ton of games this year. It's hard to make a defensive team when you play less than 60 games (and Smart only played 54).

I think the same thing prevented Bradley from making it last year (when he only played 55)
I'm bitter.