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Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« on: May 22, 2018, 11:59:20 AM »

Offline Big333223

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Zach Lowe on the BS Podcast yesterday and they touched on Smart's contract situation. Simmons thinks 4 years, $40-44 mil is fair for Smart (I agree), Lowe thinks that Smart will reject that offer and take his qualifying offer to become an unrestricted free agent next year in a potentially more open free agent market.

Lowe also tries to come up with a number the Celtics won't pay for Smart and says, "14, 15, 16, I don't know..." So he's not quite sure what is too high for the Celtics but he starts thinking about the $14-16 mil a year range.

Also, fwiw, Simmons asks Lowe a couple of yes or no questions and when he asks "Is Kyrie Irving on the Celtics next year?" he says, "Yes," with complete confidence, no hesitation and there's no discussion about it at all.
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Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 12:02:44 PM »

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I think it makes sense for the Celts and for Smart to do a one year deal.

They'll sort out what to do with Terry and Marcus after next season (when hopefully they're coming off a Finals run).


Look, Smart is a great player and he makes so many clutch plays.  He's basically the Celts' version of Iguodala.

That said, how much does it make sense to pay for the 6th best player on your team?

The Celts need to prioritize Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford.  Signing Smart should not jeopardize their ability to pay and keep all of those guys moving forward.

I suppose as long as Smart is a trade asset on his next deal it doesn't matter.  They can move him if/when Jaylen / Tatum need to get paid if necessary.
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Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2018, 12:17:14 PM »

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Smart has to realize he won’t find a better situation for his winning plays to have an impact. That said, I don’t expect him to take much less money to stay, if any.
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Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2018, 12:19:47 PM »

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I think we'll have to slightly overpay to keep him.

I just hope Wyc is cool with paying an enormous payroll tax.

Smart is crucial to our hopes against GSW. He's the Ginobli for our team. His defense and hustle is like Ginobli's offense and hustle.

It's so important.
I'd expect him to get 4 x 14 million at a minimum.
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Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 12:21:06 PM »

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I like Smart, but he shoots way too many 3's and he gets too emotional (some emotion is fine, but he goes way overboard).  Take the end of the game last night, C's had no real shot at winning, but there was Smart being super and overly aggressive with James.  I was really worried he was going to go to far, get suspended, and cost Boston any shot at winning the series.  I don't think he can tone it down, which is the real problem.  He reminds me a lot of Rondo.  Does a lot of the little things, but is just so immature on the court, and unlike Rondo, he doesn't know when to stop shooting. 
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Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 12:25:39 PM »

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I think we'll have to slightly overpay to keep him.

I just hope Wyc is cool with paying an enormous payroll tax.

Smart is crucial to our hopes against GSW. He's the Ginobli for our team. His defense and hustle is like Ginobli's offense and hustle.

It's so important.
I'd expect him to get 4 x 14 million at a minimum.
the important question is --> who'd pay Smart that kind of money?  I don't see any team that would want to tie up that kind of money on a guy they can't count on for offensive production this offseason.  Can't see a developing team wanting him just yet since he's the kind of player you bring in when you're looking for that right piece to put you over the top.  by that same logic, I don't see any team looking for that extra piece with the cap room to add him.  Philly perhaps has the room but they need shooting to go with Simmons and Fultz as well as spreading the floor for Embiid to work. 

I really don't see anyone offering more than the MLE this year or even next (unless there's a huge jump in the salary cap due to an influx of new gambling revenue).

Re: Lowe and Simmons on Smart's Contract
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 12:28:46 PM »

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11 or 12 mill a year sounds about right.  I wouldn't be surprised if he only a one-year deal although I don't think he helps his situation if he does.  I think teams are going to be reluctant to pay more.  There are already a ton of good point guards in the league and  a lot of former Celtics don't fair nearly as well on their new teams.

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 12:29:09 PM »

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I like Smart, but he shoots way too many 3's and he gets too emotional (some emotion is fine, but he goes way overboard).  Take the end of the game last night, C's had no real shot at winning, but there was Smart being super and overly aggressive with James.  I was really worried he was going to go to far, get suspended, and cost Boston any shot at winning the series.  I don't think he can tone it down, which is the real problem.  He reminds me a lot of Rondo.  Does a lot of the little things, but is just so immature on the court, and unlike Rondo, he doesn't know when to stop shooting. 
hard to blame him at the end of the game with Lebron shoving him and giving elbows every time Smart covered him.  took a hand to the face once or twice iirc. 

wouldn't have objected to Smart connecting with a punch to Lebron to let him know that won't be tolerated and draw attention to the crap Bron's been pulling.  Of course that'd leave Rozier as our only PG which would be a real issue but I'd love to see the shock on Bron's face if someone decked him for that crap.  that's how they handled that garbage in the 70/80's and I miss that. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 12:29:51 PM »

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I am good with the QO contract for Smart. 

Just don't overpay the role players.   That is how teams end up trading better talents away.  No matter how good a team gets, there is always a cut off on how much they will pay. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »

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I really don't get the thought that Smart shoots too much. In starter minutes he shoots 8-12 times a game, that's fine.

I'd love if he didn't take pull up jumpers when the whole team stops moving which happens once or twice a game, but that's a collective issue of a play breaking down and no one reseting quickly.

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 12:33:31 PM »

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I like Smart, but he shoots way too many 3's and he gets too emotional (some emotion is fine, but he goes way overboard).  Take the end of the game last night, C's had no real shot at winning, but there was Smart being super and overly aggressive with James.  I was really worried he was going to go to far, get suspended, and cost Boston any shot at winning the series.  I don't think he can tone it down, which is the real problem.  He reminds me a lot of Rondo.  Does a lot of the little things, but is just so immature on the court, and unlike Rondo, he doesn't know when to stop shooting. 
hard to blame him at the end of the game with Lebron shoving him and giving elbows every time Smart covered him.  took a hand to the face once or twice iirc. 

wouldn't have objected to Smart connecting with a punch to Lebron to let him know that won't be tolerated and draw attention to the crap Bron's been pulling.  Of course that'd leave Rozier as our only PG which would be a real issue but I'd love to see the shock on Bron's face if someone decked him for that crap.  that's how they handled that garbage in the 70/80's and I miss that.

So Smart throws a punch, gets suspended for 2 games(Arron Afflalo was suspended 2 for his antics) in a now best of 3 series, we get sent home early while the Cavs go through to the Finals?

Yeah. That'll REALLY show LeBron ::)
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 12:41:10 PM »

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Toughness is as much mental as physical. Its not mentally tough to throw a punch and get yourself kicked out of a series when your team needs you on the court.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2018, 12:47:03 PM »

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I like Smart, but he shoots way too many 3's and he gets too emotional (some emotion is fine, but he goes way overboard).  Take the end of the game last night, C's had no real shot at winning, but there was Smart being super and overly aggressive with James.  I was really worried he was going to go to far, get suspended, and cost Boston any shot at winning the series.  I don't think he can tone it down, which is the real problem.  He reminds me a lot of Rondo.  Does a lot of the little things, but is just so immature on the court, and unlike Rondo, he doesn't know when to stop shooting.
He came no where near a suspendable offense last night. He just took a beating from Lebron.

He gets overly emotional but let's not pretend he almost got himself suspended last night.
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I like Smart, but he shoots way too many 3's and he gets too emotional (some emotion is fine, but he goes way overboard).  Take the end of the game last night, C's had no real shot at winning, but there was Smart being super and overly aggressive with James.  I was really worried he was going to go to far, get suspended, and cost Boston any shot at winning the series.  I don't think he can tone it down, which is the real problem.  He reminds me a lot of Rondo.  Does a lot of the little things, but is just so immature on the court, and unlike Rondo, he doesn't know when to stop shooting.
He came no where near a suspendable offense last night. He just took a beating from Lebron.

He gets overly emotional but let's not pretend he almost got himself suspended last night.
I never said he did nor even implied he did. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2018, 12:56:12 PM »

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I really don't get the thought that Smart shoots too much. In starter minutes he shoots 8-12 times a game, that's fine.

I'd love if he didn't take pull up jumpers when the whole team stops moving which happens once or twice a game, but that's a collective issue of a play breaking down and no one reseting quickly.
He shoots too much because he is perhaps the worst shooter in the history of the game.  If he was shooting layups, sure, shoot away, but someone who 4 years in shooting 4.2 3's a game and hits them at just 29.3% shouldn't shoot them (or at least not anywhere near the rate he does).  It takes away from his overall game and value.
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