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The 2 oldest teams are still playing (and 3 of the top 4)
« on: May 11, 2018, 01:51:27 PM »

Offline Moranis

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The Rockets are the oldest team in the league.  The Cavs are the 2nd oldest team in the league.  The Warriors are the 4th oldest team in the league.  The Celtics (with Hayward and Irving) are tied for 23rd with Toronto and both just ahead of the Sixers (Portland was the only team younger that made the playoffs and they are the 2nd youngest team in the league). 

I guess I point this out because a lot has been made about old teams wearing down, yet here we are with the old teams still playing.
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The Rockets are the oldest team in the league.  The Cavs are the 2nd oldest team in the league.  The Warriors are the 4th oldest team in the league.  The Celtics (with Hayward and Irving) are tied for 23rd with Toronto and both just ahead of the Sixers (Portland was the only team younger that made the playoffs and they are the 2nd youngest team in the league). 

I guess I point this out because a lot has been made about old teams wearing down, yet here we are with the old teams still playing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 02:06:20 PM »

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It's not like the core of the Warriors and Rockets are super "old."  It's mostly because the back end of their rosters are loaded with ring chasing veterans.  We're not talking about the Spurs or 2011 Mavericks here.

The Cavs are a pretty old team though.
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And the old farts get the calls from the refs

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 07:09:56 PM »

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good post

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 07:11:50 PM »

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 07:51:55 PM »

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).


The below numbers are from basketball-reference and some of their age listings may be off a bit, so these may skew a little low by a year.

Here's a look at the Warriors:

Klay (28) - 38 mpg
Dray (28) - 38 mpg
Durant (29) - 37 mpg
Curry (30) - 31 mpg
Iggy (34) - 28 mpg

Looney (21) - 21 mpg
Livingston (32) - 18 mpg
Cook (24) - 16 mpg
McGee (30) - 13 mpg
West (37) - 12 mpg


The average age of the top five guys is just shy of 30.  The bench is a mix of younger and older.


Rockets:

Harden (28) - 35 mpg
Paul (32) - 33 mpg
Ariza (32) - 32 mpg
Capela (23) - 32 mpg
Gordon (29) - 31 mpg
Tucker (32) - 30 mpg

LMAM (31) - 19 mpg
Green (32) - 15 mpg
Ryno (29) - 11 mpg
Nene (35) - 10 mpg


The average age of their top 6 guys (all playing 30+ mpg) is about 29.

The bench trends a bit older.



Cavaliers:

LeBron (33) - 41 mpg
Love (29) - 33 mpg
J.R. (32) - 32 mpg
Hill (31) - 26 mpg
Korver (36) - 26 mpg

Green (31) - 22 mpg
Hood (25) - 17 mpg
Clarkson (25) - 17 mpg
Nance (25) - 16 mpg
TT (26) - 16 mpg
Calderon (36) - 14 mpg


Average age of the Cavs top 5 is 32 years old.  If you weighted the minutes it'd be closer to 33 years old since LeBron is playing so many minutes.

Definitely an OLD team, but they have several 25/26 year olds on the bench thanks to their mid-season dealing.



Now the Celts:


Rozier (24) - 37 mpg
Horford (31) - 36 mpg
Tatum (20) - 35 mpg
Brown (21) - 32 mpg
Smart (24) - 31 mpg
Morris (28) - 29 mpg

Baynes (31) - 20 mpg
Semi (23) - 15 mpg
Larkin (25) - 14 mpg
Monroe (27) - 10 mpg


Average age of the top 6 is about 25 years old.  The bench is about the same.  The Celts are MUCH younger than any of the other conference finalists.  They'd still be significantly younger if their 26 year old star PG and their 28 year old star wing were not hurt.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 07:59:34 PM »

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).


The below numbers are from basketball-reference and some of their age listings may be off a bit, so these may skew a little low by a year.

Here's a look at the Warriors:

Klay (28) - 38 mpg
Dray (28) - 38 mpg
Durant (29) - 37 mpg
Curry (30) - 31 mpg
Iggy (34) - 28 mpg

Looney (21) - 21 mpg
Livingston (32) - 18 mpg
Cook (24) - 16 mpg
McGee (30) - 13 mpg
West (37) - 12 mpg


The average age of the top five guys is just shy of 30.  The bench is a mix of younger and older.


Rockets:

Harden (28) - 35 mpg
Paul (32) - 33 mpg
Ariza (32) - 32 mpg
Capela (23) - 32 mpg
Gordon (29) - 31 mpg
Tucker (32) - 30 mpg

LMAM (31) - 19 mpg
Green (32) - 15 mpg
Ryno (29) - 11 mpg
Nene (35) - 10 mpg


The average age of their top 6 guys (all playing 30+ mpg) is about 29.

The bench trends a bit older.



Cavaliers:

LeBron (33) - 41 mpg
Love (29) - 33 mpg
J.R. (32) - 32 mpg
Hill (31) - 26 mpg
Korver (36) - 26 mpg

Green (31) - 22 mpg
Hood (25) - 17 mpg
Clarkson (25) - 17 mpg
Nance (25) - 16 mpg
TT (26) - 16 mpg
Calderon (36) - 14 mpg


Average age of the Cavs top 5 is 32 years old.  If you weighted the minutes it'd be closer to 33 years old since LeBron is playing so many minutes.

Definitely an OLD team, but they have several 25/26 year olds on the bench thanks to their mid-season dealing.



Now the Celts:


Rozier (24) - 37 mpg
Horford (31) - 36 mpg
Tatum (20) - 35 mpg
Brown (22) - 32 mpg
Smart (24) - 31 mpg
Morris (28) - 29 mpg

Baynes (31) - 20 mpg
Semi (23) - 15 mpg
Larkin (25) - 14 mpg
Monroe (27) - 10 mpg


Average age of the top 6 is about 25 years old.  The bench is about the same.  The Celts are MUCH younger than any of the other conference finalists.  They'd still be significantly younger if their 26 year old star PG and their 28 year old star wing were not hurt.

TP for the numbers Pho.

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 08:05:05 PM »

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Should our team upset the Cavs... I wonder which other youngish team have been to the Finals and actually won it against a veteran laden championship squad.

I know the 2012 OKC thunder were quite young but they didn't win it all.. And is our team even younger than that squad?

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 08:38:58 PM »

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).


The below numbers are from basketball-reference and some of their age listings may be off a bit, so these may skew a little low by a year.

Here's a look at the Warriors:

Klay (28) - 38 mpg
Dray (28) - 38 mpg
Durant (29) - 37 mpg
Curry (30) - 31 mpg
Iggy (34) - 28 mpg

Looney (21) - 21 mpg
Livingston (32) - 18 mpg
Cook (24) - 16 mpg
McGee (30) - 13 mpg
West (37) - 12 mpg


The average age of the top five guys is just shy of 30.  The bench is a mix of younger and older.


Rockets:

Harden (28) - 35 mpg
Paul (32) - 33 mpg
Ariza (32) - 32 mpg
Capela (23) - 32 mpg
Gordon (29) - 31 mpg
Tucker (32) - 30 mpg

LMAM (31) - 19 mpg
Green (32) - 15 mpg
Ryno (29) - 11 mpg
Nene (35) - 10 mpg


The average age of their top 6 guys (all playing 30+ mpg) is about 29.

The bench trends a bit older.



Cavaliers:

LeBron (33) - 41 mpg
Love (29) - 33 mpg
J.R. (32) - 32 mpg
Hill (31) - 26 mpg
Korver (36) - 26 mpg

Green (31) - 22 mpg
Hood (25) - 17 mpg
Clarkson (25) - 17 mpg
Nance (25) - 16 mpg
TT (26) - 16 mpg
Calderon (36) - 14 mpg


Average age of the Cavs top 5 is 32 years old.  If you weighted the minutes it'd be closer to 33 years old since LeBron is playing so many minutes.

Definitely an OLD team, but they have several 25/26 year olds on the bench thanks to their mid-season dealing.



Now the Celts:


Rozier (24) - 37 mpg
Horford (31) - 36 mpg
Tatum (20) - 35 mpg
Brown (22) - 32 mpg
Smart (24) - 31 mpg
Morris (28) - 29 mpg

Baynes (31) - 20 mpg
Semi (23) - 15 mpg
Larkin (25) - 14 mpg
Monroe (27) - 10 mpg


Average age of the top 6 is about 25 years old.  The bench is about the same.  The Celts are MUCH younger than any of the other conference finalists.  They'd still be significantly younger if their 26 year old star PG and their 28 year old star wing were not hurt.

Very interesting, thanks for the information.  TP!

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A lot of it has to do with the fact that older guys make great cheap hired guns to load around a championship team which likely is committing high salary to a several star players.

Cavs:
Calderon - 36
Jeff Green - 31
Kyle Korver - 37
Perkins - 33

Rockets:
Ariza - 32
Gerald Green - 32
Nene - 35
Tucker - 33
MBah Moute - 31
Joe Johnson - 36

Warriors
Livingston - 32
Mcgee - 30
Zaza - 34
Nick Young - 32
David West - 37

Also, one or two of the star players are usually well into their career (LeBron 33, Paul 33, Iggy 34)
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).


The below numbers are from basketball-reference and some of their age listings may be off a bit, so these may skew a little low by a year.

Here's a look at the Warriors:

Klay (28) - 38 mpg
Dray (28) - 38 mpg
Durant (29) - 37 mpg
Curry (30) - 31 mpg
Iggy (34) - 28 mpg

Looney (21) - 21 mpg
Livingston (32) - 18 mpg
Cook (24) - 16 mpg
McGee (30) - 13 mpg
West (37) - 12 mpg


The average age of the top five guys is just shy of 30.  The bench is a mix of younger and older.


Rockets:

Harden (28) - 35 mpg
Paul (32) - 33 mpg
Ariza (32) - 32 mpg
Capela (23) - 32 mpg
Gordon (29) - 31 mpg
Tucker (32) - 30 mpg

LMAM (31) - 19 mpg
Green (32) - 15 mpg
Ryno (29) - 11 mpg
Nene (35) - 10 mpg


The average age of their top 6 guys (all playing 30+ mpg) is about 29.

The bench trends a bit older.



Cavaliers:

LeBron (33) - 41 mpg
Love (29) - 33 mpg
J.R. (32) - 32 mpg
Hill (31) - 26 mpg
Korver (36) - 26 mpg

Green (31) - 22 mpg
Hood (25) - 17 mpg
Clarkson (25) - 17 mpg
Nance (25) - 16 mpg
TT (26) - 16 mpg
Calderon (36) - 14 mpg


Average age of the Cavs top 5 is 32 years old.  If you weighted the minutes it'd be closer to 33 years old since LeBron is playing so many minutes.

Definitely an OLD team, but they have several 25/26 year olds on the bench thanks to their mid-season dealing.



Now the Celts:


Rozier (24) - 37 mpg
Horford (31) - 36 mpg
Tatum (20) - 35 mpg
Brown (22) - 32 mpg
Smart (24) - 31 mpg
Morris (28) - 29 mpg

Baynes (31) - 20 mpg
Semi (23) - 15 mpg
Larkin (25) - 14 mpg
Monroe (27) - 10 mpg


Average age of the top 6 is about 25 years old.  The bench is about the same.  The Celts are MUCH younger than any of the other conference finalists.  They'd still be significantly younger if their 26 year old star PG and their 28 year old star wing were not hurt.

Jaylen is 21 and won't be 22 until after the 18-19 season begins.

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I wonder what the average age is of each team's playoff rotation (only the ones receiving meaningful minutes).


The below numbers are from basketball-reference and some of their age listings may be off a bit, so these may skew a little low by a year.

Here's a look at the Warriors:

Klay (28) - 38 mpg
Dray (28) - 38 mpg
Durant (29) - 37 mpg
Curry (30) - 31 mpg
Iggy (34) - 28 mpg

Looney (21) - 21 mpg
Livingston (32) - 18 mpg
Cook (24) - 16 mpg
McGee (30) - 13 mpg
West (37) - 12 mpg


The average age of the top five guys is just shy of 30.  The bench is a mix of younger and older.


Rockets:

Harden (28) - 35 mpg
Paul (32) - 33 mpg
Ariza (32) - 32 mpg
Capela (23) - 32 mpg
Gordon (29) - 31 mpg
Tucker (32) - 30 mpg

LMAM (31) - 19 mpg
Green (32) - 15 mpg
Ryno (29) - 11 mpg
Nene (35) - 10 mpg


The average age of their top 6 guys (all playing 30+ mpg) is about 29.

The bench trends a bit older.



Cavaliers:

LeBron (33) - 41 mpg
Love (29) - 33 mpg
J.R. (32) - 32 mpg
Hill (31) - 26 mpg
Korver (36) - 26 mpg

Green (31) - 22 mpg
Hood (25) - 17 mpg
Clarkson (25) - 17 mpg
Nance (25) - 16 mpg
TT (26) - 16 mpg
Calderon (36) - 14 mpg


Average age of the Cavs top 5 is 32 years old.  If you weighted the minutes it'd be closer to 33 years old since LeBron is playing so many minutes.

Definitely an OLD team, but they have several 25/26 year olds on the bench thanks to their mid-season dealing.



Now the Celts:


Rozier (24) - 37 mpg
Horford (31) - 36 mpg
Tatum (20) - 35 mpg
Brown (21) - 32 mpg
Smart (24) - 31 mpg
Morris (28) - 29 mpg

Baynes (31) - 20 mpg
Semi (23) - 15 mpg
Larkin (25) - 14 mpg
Monroe (27) - 10 mpg


Average age of the top 6 is about 25 years old.  The bench is about the same.  The Celts are MUCH younger than any of the other conference finalists.  They'd still be significantly younger if their 26 year old star PG and their 28 year old star wing were not hurt.

TP!