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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2018, 02:22:50 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
Lakes tank for 5 years just to have DeRozan - epic.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2018, 06:16:50 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
Lakes tank for 5 years just to have DeRozan - epic.

Pretty much.  It's going to take a really desperate GM to part ways with significant assets for Derozan.  Teams are leaning heavily on advanced metrics when building their team.  Derozan lacks the intangibles that could make you ignore his poor efficiency, mediocre defense, and lack of off-ball movement.  In many ways he is the antithesis of Marcus Smart. 

As an NBA fan I would like to see Derozan land on his feet in a new destination, somewhere in the Western Conference.  I've been critical but it would be a great story to see him develop into a consistent three point shooter.  At this point he needs to understand that it's a necessary ingredient in the modern NBA. 


Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2018, 08:31:10 AM »

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Ntilikina + Hardaway + L. Thomas + #9 for Lowry + Powell + Malachi


Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
Lakes tank for 5 years just to have DeRozan - epic.

Yeah, I'd kind of love to see the Lakers wiff on the big free agent targets and then decide to go this route.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #78 on: May 09, 2018, 09:15:00 AM »

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either PG3 and or Rozen is not putting Lakers in any contention in the West .  They would be a playoff team  . ....

Lakers are only relevant if they have Lebron .

otherwise at best hey are stuck mid stream playoff team.

PG3 , Mello , Derozen would keep them 5-8 seed forever.

Lakers should keep what they got and ignore all these has beens, low energy  no defense , fringe stars . 

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #79 on: May 09, 2018, 12:00:23 PM »

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I think they should just keep the same team for a year or 2. There are worse things than being a mid tier playoff team. All the contracts come off the books in 2 years and they can start over.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #80 on: May 09, 2018, 04:55:26 PM »

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I think they should just keep the same team for a year or 2. There are worse things than being a mid tier playoff team. All the contracts come off the books in 2 years and they can start over.

That's sort of what I was saying earlier. A year from now, Ibaka and Lowry will be on expiring contracts that will have some value in the newly stable-ish cap situation. Toronto can probably get more for them then than they can now and Derozan will be just as movable (for whatever that's worth).
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #81 on: May 09, 2018, 05:50:49 PM »

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Ntilikina + Hardaway + L. Thomas + #9 for Lowry + Powell + Malachi


Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
Lakes tank for 5 years just to have DeRozan - epic.

Pretty much.  It's going to take a really desperate GM to part ways with significant assets for Derozan.  Teams are leaning heavily on advanced metrics when building their team.  Derozan lacks the intangibles that could make you ignore his poor efficiency, mediocre defense, and lack of off-ball movement.  In many ways he is the antithesis of Marcus Smart. 

As an NBA fan I would like to see Derozan land on his feet in a new destination, somewhere in the Western Conference.  I've been critical but it would be a great story to see him develop into a consistent three point shooter.  At this point he needs to understand that it's a necessary ingredient in the modern NBA.

Offensively, that's the last step for him, imo, because as of right now if you put a taller guy on him and, as a result, take away his post game, he's really not the same player, which is kind of surprising for a dude who has studied and emulated many facets of Kobe's game as you'd think that he'd know the rules of the, well, game, by now, in that in terms of your defender, same size and smaller you take him to the post, whereas in the case of bigger/taller guys you work more without the ball as you'll get more separation on picks/screens owing to the size discrepancy, right? Pretty basic stuff. I think.

He should really watch the episode of Detail dedicated to the 2009 Western Conference Finals, imo. Has anyone else watched that program, btw? I've seen an episode and a half, at best, and it's okay, imo, but yeah, just wondering.

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #82 on: May 09, 2018, 06:21:43 PM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
Lakes tank for 5 years just to have DeRozan - epic.

Well, they got Lonzo, who garners media and fan attention as though he were already a superstar, so I'm sure they feel good about that.

But seriously, I think Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan is a great swap for the Lakers.  I don't think either of those guys is an average starter right now, and I don't think much of their potential.  Getting out of Deng's contract is an added bonus.

Derozan has flaws but he's a top 15-20 player nonetheless.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2018, 02:20:49 PM »

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A+ thread, latest DeRozan/Lowry rumors posted here reminded me of this thread

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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2018, 02:47:55 PM »

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We can't blow up the raptors, we aren't the gm

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2018, 07:31:04 PM »

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What if Lebron decides he wants to take his brand international?

James can opt in and Toronto can trade Cleveland Ibaka and Valanciunas to make it work. Lowry, Derozan, James, Siakam, Poeltl as the starting 5.
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