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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2018, 10:13:40 AM »

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If they want to blow it up they need to trade DeRozen, he has the most value and at this point his flaws are really glaring.

The Cavs guard and help off him like he's Rondo for long stretches of the game, and its killing the Raptors offense. During the season he took and made enough 3s to punish that and was also more of a ball mover. All that hard work just vanished under playoff pressure.

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2018, 10:23:20 AM »

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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2018, 10:40:20 AM »

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That sweep did nothing but hurt the value of DeRozan in the trade market.  His scoring efficiency and PER 36 averages all dropped below regular season averages for the 4th straight postseason.  To put things in perspective, Marcus Smart has a nearly identical career TS% in the playoffs. 

If you are a GM where would DeMar fit into your plans?  Bringing him in as #1 scoring option wont work if you want to win playoff games.  His inability to move without the ball also makes him a non-factor as a complementary piece.  On top of that he is a mediocre team defender.  Doesn't that description sound just like Carmelo Anthony?

What might get lost in all of this is the fact that Kyle Lowry had a great postseason.  There should be multiple playoff suitors on the trade market.  Minnesota seems like an ideal fit. 

 

 

Don't disagree about Lowry but you can't go 2-7 in an elimination game is youre a "star" or "superstar."

1. The shooting percentage is low enough. But 2. You need to take more than 7 shots especially when you co-pilot has been ejected.

Derozan is good but like you mention he can't be a teams number one option. Where does he fit in todays NBA if hes a shooting guard that can't shoot 3 pointers? He was 0-13 in his last 5 post season games. Sure he is a legit scorer, but who is going to make a trade for him when he can't stretch the floor as a 2-guard?
DeRozan would actually be an interesting playing next to James.  If James opted in (or re-signed) maybe something like Clarkson, Smith, BKN for DeRozan.  Cleveland would be pretty interesting going forward with Hill, Korver, DeRozan, James, Love with a bench of Hood, Thompson, Nance, Osman, and whichever vets they added.  In that role DeRozan is a 2nd or 3rd offensive option and the Cavs can get away with his lesser shooting with Hill, Korver, and Love being the other starters.
As a Celtic, I'd love to see that Cleveland lineup for years and years. To see that they used the BKN pick (Kyrie) for dumping bad salaries and a non-spacer next to LeBron - exquisite.

Yeah that's my problem with this trade for Cleveland. Gives the Cavs an enormous scoring punch with James, Derozan, and Love... But Derozan's inability to space the floor hurts James as they'd clog the lane.

A more logical trade to me:

Cavs trade Clarkson, Smith, Brook pick to Toronto

Derozan to Portland

CJ and Zach Collins to Cleveland.


Leaves Cavs with Hill/CJ/Korver/James/Love with Thompson, Nance, Osman, resigned Hood off the bench. Gives James a lethal floor spreading option who loves the jump shot in CJ.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2018, 10:48:52 AM »

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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2018, 10:54:05 AM »

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Also the fact that not only is DeRozen killing the spacing and offensive flow of the Raptors, but defensively he's targeted like he's Marco Bellini.

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2018, 10:59:46 AM »

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Also the fact that not only is DeRozen killing the spacing and offensive flow of the Raptors, but defensively he's targeted like he's Marco Bellini.

He really needs to work on improving his jump shot, same goes for Simmons.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2018, 11:01:50 AM »

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That sweep did nothing but hurt the value of DeRozan in the trade market.  His scoring efficiency and PER 36 averages all dropped below regular season averages for the 4th straight postseason.  To put things in perspective, Marcus Smart has a nearly identical career TS% in the playoffs. 

If you are a GM where would DeMar fit into your plans?  Bringing him in as #1 scoring option wont work if you want to win playoff games.  His inability to move without the ball also makes him a non-factor as a complementary piece.  On top of that he is a mediocre team defender.  Doesn't that description sound just like Carmelo Anthony?

What might get lost in all of this is the fact that Kyle Lowry had a great postseason.  There should be multiple playoff suitors on the trade market.  Minnesota seems like an ideal fit. 

 

 

Don't disagree about Lowry but you can't go 2-7 in an elimination game is youre a "star" or "superstar."

1. The shooting percentage is low enough. But 2. You need to take more than 7 shots especially when you co-pilot has been ejected.

Derozan is good but like you mention he can't be a teams number one option. Where does he fit in todays NBA if hes a shooting guard that can't shoot 3 pointers? He was 0-13 in his last 5 post season games. Sure he is a legit scorer, but who is going to make a trade for him when he can't stretch the floor as a 2-guard?
DeRozan would actually be an interesting playing next to James.  If James opted in (or re-signed) maybe something like Clarkson, Smith, BKN for DeRozan.  Cleveland would be pretty interesting going forward with Hill, Korver, DeRozan, James, Love with a bench of Hood, Thompson, Nance, Osman, and whichever vets they added.  In that role DeRozan is a 2nd or 3rd offensive option and the Cavs can get away with his lesser shooting with Hill, Korver, and Love being the other starters.
As a Celtic, I'd love to see that Cleveland lineup for years and years. To see that they used the BKN pick (Kyrie) for dumping bad salaries and a non-spacer next to LeBron - exquisite.

Yeah that's my problem with this trade for Cleveland. Gives the Cavs an enormous scoring punch with James, Derozan, and Love... But Derozan's inability to space the floor hurts James as they'd clog the lane.

A more logical trade to me:

Cavs trade Clarkson, Smith, Brook pick to Toronto

Derozan to Portland

CJ and Zach Collins to Cleveland.


Leaves Cavs with Hill/CJ/Korver/James/Love with Thompson, Nance, Osman, resigned Hood off the bench. Gives James a lethal floor spreading option who loves the jump shot in CJ.

They are not gonna resign Hood... He's already going to get suspended...

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Hood was the only guy not to play in Game 4.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2018, 11:03:54 AM »

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DeRozen is a good shooter though, he's just not a good 3 point shooter. Very similar to KG, and even Horford when he was younger.

Just has to commit to bombing away no matter what and becoming a good 3 point shooter. That's hard, especially when he's literally said for 4 years or more that "he doesn't need 3s". He finally tried this season but clearly he doesn't believe its his shot hence he stopped shooting them quickly when under duress.

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2018, 11:38:48 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2018, 11:42:31 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
I'd love that Toronto team. DeRozan as a Laker would be weird.

Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2018, 11:50:26 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
I'd love that Toronto team. DeRozan as a Laker would be weird.

I'm imagining the Lakers trading for Derozan then signing Paul George.  I bet Derozan would be thrilled to play in LA given that he played for USC and idolizes Kobe.

After that they'd still have space for another big contract.  Maybe Deandre opts out and signs with the Lakers?


Lonzo - Derozan - George - Randle - Deandre


That would be an interesting team.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2018, 11:52:05 AM »

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Deng + Ingram + Kuzma for Derozan
I'd love that Toronto team. DeRozan as a Laker would be weird.

I'm imagining the Lakers trading for Derozan then signing Paul George.  I bet Derozan would be thrilled to play in LA given that he played for USC and idolizes Kobe.

After that they'd still have space for another big contract.  Maybe Deandre opts out and signs with the Lakers?


Lonzo - Derozan - George - Randle - Deandre


That would be an interesting team.

That is a lot to pay for someone who seriously wilted under pressure in the playoffs.
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2018, 11:53:55 AM »

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I'd love that Toronto team. DeRozan as a Laker would be weird.

I'm imagining the Lakers trading for Derozan then signing Paul George.  I bet Derozan would be thrilled to play in LA given that he played for USC and idolizes Kobe.

After that they'd still have space for another big contract.  Maybe Deandre opts out and signs with the Lakers?


Lonzo - Derozan - George - Randle - Deandre


That would be an interesting team.

That is a lot to pay for someone who seriously wilted under pressure in the playoffs.


Sure, but I think the Lakers are a team that is probably feeling a lot of pressure to be good and relevant again.

They could probably talk themselves into Derozan being good on a team where he's not the only high usage scoring option, too. 
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Re: Let's Blow Up the Raptors
« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2018, 12:05:12 PM »

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I could see the Lakers using cap space and lesser pieces on DeRozen, I can't imagine them shipping out either of their blue chip prospects for him.

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« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2018, 02:09:35 AM »

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I could see the Lakers using cap space and lesser pieces on DeRozen, I can't imagine them shipping out either of their blue chip prospects for him.

Yea no way. Toronto would need the Lakers way more than vice versa in this scenario. Maybe a s/t with Randle, hart, and a pick I could see? But something tells me the Lakers view Ingram, whether rightly or wrongly, close to how we view Brown/Tatum.