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2018 NFL Draft thread
« on: April 26, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »

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Insiders are suggesting the Browns will take Baker Mayfield #1. They canít be that dumb, can they?

At the very least, take Barkley #1 and Mayfield at #4. 


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Re: 2018 NFL Draft thread
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2018, 10:52:18 AM »

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Considering it's the Browns, I can't confidently say anything is beyond them

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2018, 10:58:01 AM »

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How far does Allen fall now?

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Considering it's the Browns, I can't confidently say anything is beyond them

Exactly.   That organization hasn't done much in the name of rhyme & reason in the near two decades they've been back. 

Nothing would surprise me there. 



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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2018, 11:23:59 AM »

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The Browns have a very smart room this year.  Dorsey is a very good GM, but they also added a number of highly respected minds from across the league.  If they draft Mayfield, it is because they think he is the best QB and unlike years past, you have to believe they've done their homework and gotten it right. 

The Jets apparently love Mayfield as well.   

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2018, 11:36:54 AM »

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?



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Insiders are suggesting the Browns will take Baker Mayfield #1. They canít be that dumb, can they?

At the very least, take Barkley #1 and Mayfield at #4.

I would be floored if it was Mayfield at 1. If they truly think he is the best available, there is no way they should take him first. You are on the money with how they should handle the top 4 picks if this is how they feel.

I think the best case scenario for the Browns is Darnold at 1, and Chubb at 4. You get to have an amazing pass rush for the next 6+ years, and a very good QB with good upside to build around with all of your new weapons.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 12:37:52 PM »

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.


Except the QB's value will likely drop after losing out and not playing.   (not to mention neither is likely to start this year)

And the value you trade for is not going to match the value of the 4th pick this year.   There will be other new shiny QB to go after at that range. 

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.

This is a team coming off a 0-16 season.  They have a litany of needs outside the QB situation that need to be addressed.  Think it would be extremely foolish on their part to waste two top 5 picks on quarterbacks when they have glaring other needs. 

They can boost their capital even more by trading down from #4 to another QB starved franchise.   Or just stand pat and take a guy like Chubb who should help you from day 1.


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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2018, 01:20:56 PM »

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.


Except the QB's value will likely drop after losing out and not playing.   (not to mention neither is likely to start this year)

And the value you trade for is not going to match the value of the 4th pick this year.   There will be other new shiny QB to go after at that range.

They won't do it, because every team thinks they are the best at evaluating QBs. But it is an interesting though. The QB position has a far outsized importance in the NFL. A franchise QB can be there 8-12 years, which is, what, 3-4 roster turnovers in the NFL? Outside QB, roster rebuilds can happen.

So I'd think that a highly rated prospect who has 1 year of bench learning is still a valuable asset. Not #4 pick valuable. But still valuable, maybe a 2nd and 3rd rounder. And you double your chances of getting a great great QB for 10 years.

So, would you trade #1 and #4 in 2018 for, say, Rookie Andrew Luck and a 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2019?

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2018, 01:35:45 PM »

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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.

It is my understanding that given the quality of this QB class, they would be lucky if the BETTER of their two prospects hit those levels of young QB. As you pointed out in your later post, teams are willing to pay a stupid price to move up and take their shiny toy. They don't want somebody else's toy. Garropolo (more value than the worse of the 2 QBs) fetched an early 2nd rounder. Foles showed he can win a super bowl game with an elite team around him. He is more talented right now than either QB taken (not long term obviously,) yet the rumors are teams wont give up a 1st for him. So your asset (4th pick) would depreciate almost 30 spots best case scenario.
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Take mayfield and rosen, then trade one next year!


Why when a player like Barkley or Chubbs will be sitting there?

Take advantage of capspace and draft capital to double your chances of hitting elite status at the most important position to anchor your franchise for 10 years; keep the better one; still trade the other for a bonanza given the market for competent QBs. Let's say the lesser one is a Jameis Winston/Mariota type; that player on a rookie contract with just 1 year of the rookie contract completed would be worth a lot.

It is my understanding that given the quality of this QB class, they would be lucky if the BETTER of their two prospects hit those levels of young QB. As you pointed out in your later post, teams are willing to pay a stupid price to move up and take their shiny toy.

That's the beauty of the draft. An established, above-average quarter back is simply an above-average quarterback, but a high draft pick? UNLIMITED POTENTIAL! So much more fun to dream (and rip off other teams by trading down).

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Seeing as how the Browns have the top pick in the 2nd round and the third pick in the 2nd and the last pick in the 2nd it would be pretty hilarious if they used the top two picks on Barkley (best RB in a generation) and Chubb and paired Chubb with their pick from last year.....then potentially traded up for a Lamar Jackson or just drafted a left over developmental QB like Mason Rudolph and said "See ya at the next draft" and just targeted the next year to draft a QB.

None of the top 3 QBs impress me. If you forced me to take one I'd take Sam Darnold. Maybe if Josh Allen really showed me phenomenal workouts and had phenomenal interviews I'd consider him.

I strongly dislike Rosen.