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Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2018, 11:25:44 PM »

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It was undeniably a goaltend and changed the outcome of the game.  Had the refs counted the basket Lebron doesn't have the luxury of taking a zero pressure 28 footer because they'd be down 2 and a miss results in a 3-2 series deficit.  But because the refs ignored the goaltend and the game was tied it was a no-lose situation for Lebron.  A miss still gives them OT and the make wins it.  And on the Oladipo drive Lebron can be seen grabbing his arm on the way up so technically it could have been an AND 1.  But it's the NBA and they don't want to see and Indiana vs Toronto/Wiz series in round 2.
It undeniably was a goaltend and undeniably altered the SCORE of the game.  Unfortunately weíll never know what the outcome would have been if the call had been different.  And the refs didnít let Lebron goaltend.  Was a bang bang play that was very very difficult.
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Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2018, 11:31:16 PM »

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That was the call that will enrout LeBron James to the NBA Finals.

Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2018, 11:36:01 PM »

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im not in favor of giving coaches challenges to use throughout the game like then NFL does, HOWEVER.  I do think that inside of the final 2 minutes of the game, if a team has a timeout left, they can take said timeout and ask the officials to review any reviewable play.  if youre not responsible  with your timeouts and you have none left, then youre at the mercy of the the current rules like this one where the play wouldnt be reviewable bc theres no dead ball
Coaches challenges would have many of the same issues as the current rule.  Youíre certainly not going to let a coach challenge while the play is live.  Can you imagine a coach running on the court to stop a fast break?  And once the next play has happened, you are not going to review a challenge and undo what happened afterwards.
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Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2018, 11:32:12 AM »

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I’ll start off by saying I’m as big of a lebron hater as anyone.

But, it isn’t clear that was a goaltend. The rule clearly states that a ball that hits the backboard before being blocked is a goal-tend if it is ABOVE the ring.

From my POV it is not clear that ball was above the rim.

Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2018, 12:39:32 PM »

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Iíll start off by saying Iím as big of a lebron hater as anyone.

But, it isnít clear that was a goaltend. The rule clearly states that a ball that hits the backboard before being blocked is a goal-tend if it is ABOVE the ring.

From my POV it is not clear that ball was above the rim.
the league already confirmed it was a goaltend.  They also confirmed that Indiana never should have had possession to begin with though.

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« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2018, 12:43:12 PM »

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Iíll start off by saying Iím as big of a lebron hater as anyone.

But, it isnít clear that was a goaltend. The rule clearly states that a ball that hits the backboard before being blocked is a goal-tend if it is ABOVE the ring.

From my POV it is not clear that ball was above the rim.

It doesnít have to be above the rim. The rule is, if it hits the glass first and is then blocked, itís a goaltend

Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2018, 12:51:06 PM »

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Iíll start off by saying Iím as big of a lebron hater as anyone.

But, it isnít clear that was a goaltend. The rule clearly states that a ball that hits the backboard before being blocked is a goal-tend if it is ABOVE the ring.

From my POV it is not clear that ball was above the rim.

It doesnít have to be above the rim. The rule is, if it hits the glass first and is then blocked, itís a goaltend
you are both sort of correct as their are two separate rules for blocking a ball after it touches the backboard.


d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.

e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.


In either case, the block was a goal tend. 

My personal opinion (as I've stated in this thread) is Rule E should be eliminated.  If the ball is still going up you should be allowed to block it even if it hit the backboard first as that would make it like any other position on the floor. 

Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2018, 12:53:51 PM »

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Are the NBA defenders watching? This is why these stars are larger than life..they are allowed to foul on offense and defense, and now they can goaltend too....no wonder LeBlock makes NBA all defense teams..

I mean, in real time there was zero percent chance they could tell if that was on the glass or not, and they can't review it under the current rules.

Even in super slow, 60 FPS slo mo, the ball barley gets to the glass before he blocks it. I think your asking a bit much for an official to determine in real time if that ball touched on it's own before Lebron swatted the hell out of it.

Now, if you want to say the NBA refs suck, i agree in general. 

If you want to say that the call should have been reviewable as well.....eh. I think we've given wayyyyy to much to replay and sorry, sometimes human error is part of sports. All of the sudden we would have replay review on every stinking play in the final two minutes.

I'm having a hard time working up outrage on this particular call for the above reason.
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Re: LeBlock Gate
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2018, 01:41:40 PM »

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Are the NBA defenders watching? This is why these stars are larger than life..they are allowed to foul on offense and defense, and now they can goaltend too....no wonder LeBlock makes NBA all defense teams..

I mean, in real time there was zero percent chance they could tell if that was on the glass or not, and they can't review it under the current rules.

Even in super slow, 60 FPS slo mo, the ball barley gets to the glass before he blocks it. I think your asking a bit much for an official to determine in real time if that ball touched on it's own before Lebron swatted the hell out of it.

Now, if you want to say the NBA refs suck, i agree in general. 

If you want to say that the call should have been reviewable as well.....eh. I think we've given wayyyyy to much to replay and sorry, sometimes human error is part of sports. All of the sudden we would have replay review on every stinking play in the final two minutes.

I'm having a hard time working up outrage on this particular call for the above reason.
Youre absolutely right, except I donít think I general the refs suck.  Theyíre the best in the world, which more than anything shows you how difficult the job is.  Of course, the typical fan has no perception.  Players make mistakes, coaches makes mistakes, yet refs are expected to be perfect?  Makes no sense whatsoever.

I mean, Iím cool with some replay but oftent it takes away from the experience, which is why we watch (not just the outcome).