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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #120 on: August 08, 2018, 02:06:57 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

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To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

Don't be too rash with judgments on players. Give CBS at least a few years to get them into the rhythms of his offense.

Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #121 on: August 08, 2018, 02:39:14 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #122 on: August 08, 2018, 02:53:50 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.

I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..

Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #123 on: August 08, 2018, 03:01:44 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.

I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #124 on: August 08, 2018, 03:23:58 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.

I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.

That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #125 on: August 08, 2018, 03:39:14 PM »

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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #126 on: August 08, 2018, 06:31:43 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.

I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.

That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.

Yeah, this year there are just too many ahead of him at both forward spots. Morris and Theis are pretty natural 4's, and Hayward and Tatum are prob 3's...leaves Semi on the 3rd string/11th man.

But after this season, it's all open, right?  I sort of see Ojele in the same spot/role as Morris and Theis, but aren't all 3 free agents after this year?

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« Reply #127 on: August 08, 2018, 07:35:45 PM »

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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.

I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.

That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.

Yeah, this year there are just too many ahead of him at both forward spots. Morris and Theis are pretty natural 4's, and Hayward and Tatum are prob 3's...leaves Semi on the 3rd string/11th man.

But after this season, it's all open, right?  I sort of see Ojele in the same spot/role as Morris and Theis, but aren't all 3 free agents after this year?

Morris and Theis yes. Semi has a team option the following 2 seasons and given his defensive abilities and how much the Celtics will be hunting for cheap deals I'd bet on them picking up that option.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #128 on: August 08, 2018, 08:52:06 PM »

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Playing in all those playoff games and coming into his second year should give him a confidence boost and get him to relax on offense. I'm hoping for a continuation of solid D on the second unit and a bit better offensive year.

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« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2018, 10:35:07 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #130 on: August 08, 2018, 10:53:51 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Solid rebuttal and TP to you. I can admit when a solid point was made against what I said.

I still think he has room to develop, and I think he has the potential to develop more offensively than Roberson, Thomas, or Acy.

Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #131 on: August 08, 2018, 10:56:49 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
 
Heís a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozierís werenít.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #132 on: August 09, 2018, 07:32:15 AM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
 
He’s a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozier’s weren’t.

Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.

Players do still get better later in their 20's.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #133 on: August 09, 2018, 04:43:25 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
 
Heís a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozierís werenít.

Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.

Players do still get better later in their 20's.

To be honest, I don't think Crowder improved as much as people think. What changed the most was opportunity. Even in Dallas, he was always a solid player, had more to his game than Semi, and his issue was always hitting perimeter shots. That said, he had one lone season where he shot the 3 pretty well, but overall his 3pt ability never changed. Here is his yearly 3PT% -

32.8
33.1
29.3 (34.2 w/ Dallas - 28.2 w/ Boston)
33.6
39.8
32.3 (32.8 w/ Cle - 31.6 w/ Utah)


Here are Crowder's highlights with the Mavericks. He's basically the same player he was in Boston with less opportunity and wasn't ever as mechanical (trying to be nice) as Semi is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqYLzSdito

Re: Semi Ojeleye outstanding defense
« Reply #134 on: August 09, 2018, 06:21:21 PM »

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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):

275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-

#NBAPlayerGrades

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712

To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.

Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.

Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.

I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.

Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
 
Heís a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozierís werenít.

Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.

Players do still get better later in their 20's.

To be honest, I don't think Crowder improved as much as people think. What changed the most was opportunity. Even in Dallas, he was always a solid player, had more to his game than Semi, and his issue was always hitting perimeter shots. That said, he had one lone season where he shot the 3 pretty well, but overall his 3pt ability never changed. Here is his yearly 3PT% -

32.8
33.1
29.3 (34.2 w/ Dallas - 28.2 w/ Boston)
33.6
39.8
32.3 (32.8 w/ Cle - 31.6 w/ Utah)


Here are Crowder's highlights with the Mavericks. He's basically the same player he was in Boston with less opportunity and wasn't ever as mechanical (trying to be nice) as Semi is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqYLzSdito

Crowder's usage rate in his highest Dallas year was 15.3%. His highest Boston number was 18.5% (about the league average for any player with at least 1000 min). He had somewhat more opportunity in Boston but never had to carry an offense or anything so was able to stay relatively efficient and have a nice little career.

Semi had a 9% usage rate and was still a very poor offensive player. That is very concerning. Now he was a rookie so picking on him is a bit unfair but with 9% usage in his 2nd year we would really like to see him achieve average efficiency. If not he will become almost unplayable except in very small segments of time..