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Blazers need to trade McCollom
« on: April 20, 2018, 10:22:16 AM »

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Their team has peaked and won't get better.  Lillard is beloved in Portland, so I don't think they trade him, but McCollum has a ton of value and they can use him to shed more long term salary and get out from tax hell (and still be able to retain Nurkic). 


So the teams that make the most sense to me are the Lakers (trade centered around Ingram and cap space), Sixers (Fultz, Covington, Bayless as main pieces), and Wolves (Wiggins and a couple of 1st's plus ability to take on at least Turner).  Cavs probably don't have enough even with BKN and their ability to take all of the Blazers bad contracts (Turner, Harkless, Leonard) as they would have to give back at least 1 bad contract.  Spurs don't have enough young pieces though he would be a great fit there.  He would be a good fit in NY, but again they don't have enough salary, though Frank N and their 1st this year is a good talent start.  Any one else make any realistic sense.   

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 10:27:14 AM »

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Probably not a bad idea.  Their cap situation in the foreseeable future is not that desirable.


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Re: Blazers need to trade McCollom
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 10:32:19 AM »

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Their team has peaked and won't get better.  Lillard is beloved in Portland, so I don't think they trade him, but McCollum has a ton of value and they can use him to shed more long term salary and get out from tax hell (and still be able to retain Nurkic). 


So the teams that make the most sense to me are the Lakers (trade centered around Ingram and cap space), Sixers (Fultz, Covington, Bayless as main pieces), and Wolves (Wiggins and a couple of 1st's plus ability to take on at least Turner).  Cavs probably don't have enough even with BKN and their ability to take all of the Blazers bad contracts (Turner, Harkless, Leonard) as they would have to give back at least 1 bad contract.  Spurs don't have enough young pieces though he would be a great fit there.  He would be a good fit in NY, but again they don't have enough salary, though Frank N and their 1st this year is a good talent start.  Any one else make any realistic sense.   

I agree with you 100%.  The Blazers would be better served to sacrifice some of McCollum's offense for a two-way guard/forward who can be paired with Lillard.  Lillard and McCollum are too much of a defensive liability against good teams. 

Finding the right deal is going to be extremely difficult.  Is it worth moving McCollum in a deal for a high draft pick for this year?  No way the Blazers could get a top 5 pick but maybe they could secure something in the 7-10 range.  In a deal they would also need to receive a veteran starter to replace CJ.  Teams have smartened up so I don't even know if they could receive this type of return.  Portland is stuck in a tough spot in the West. 

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 10:44:33 AM »

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What about a trade package centered around Kawhi Leonard and CJ McCullom?

Spurs Receive: McCullom, Collins, Blazers 2018 1st
Blazers Receive: Leonard

I realize the salaries don't work, but some creative moves in the off-season would likely make it work.

The Blazers start Lillard-Turner-Leonard-Aminu-Nurkic. I still think they need to make another move to get a 3rd guy, but that is a really good duo to start with. I really like the Aminu-Leonard front court. I don't like Nurkic that much. I also don't like starting Turner. I don't think they have the assets, but I'd be calling the Wizards about Beal or Porter, the Mavs about Barnes, and the Clippers about Harris and Jordan. Perhaps the Blazers could facilitate 3-team trade with the Hornets and another team where they get Batum (drafted by the Blazers) in a salary dump.

The Spurs start McCullom-Murray-Green-Aldridge-Collins. They get younger. Pop could do wonders with a guy like Collins. The McCullom-Murray backcourt really compliments each other well.

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 10:54:11 AM »

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What about a trade package centered around Kawhi Leonard and CJ McCullom?

Spurs Receive: McCullom, Collins, Blazers 2018 1st
Blazers Receive: Leonard

I realize the salaries don't work, but some creative moves in the off-season would likely make it work.

The Blazers start Lillard-Turner-Leonard-Aminu-Nurkic. I still think they need to make another move to get a 3rd guy, but that is a really good duo to start with. I really like the Aminu-Leonard front court. I don't like Nurkic that much. I also don't like starting Turner. I don't think they have the assets, but I'd be calling the Wizards about Beal or Porter, the Mavs about Barnes, and the Clippers about Harris and Jordan. Perhaps the Blazers could facilitate 3-team trade with the Hornets and another team where they get Batum (drafted by the Blazers) in a salary dump.

The Spurs start McCullom-Murray-Green-Aldridge-Collins. They get younger. Pop could do wonders with a guy like Collins. The McCullom-Murray backcourt really compliments each other well.

What about a trade package centered around Kawhi Leonard and CJ McCullom?

Spurs Receive: McCullom, Collins, Blazers 2018 1st
Blazers Receive: Leonard

I realize the salaries don't work, but some creative moves in the off-season would likely make it work.

The Blazers start Lillard-Turner-Leonard-Aminu-Nurkic. I still think they need to make another move to get a 3rd guy, but that is a really good duo to start with. I really like the Aminu-Leonard front court. I don't like Nurkic that much. I also don't like starting Turner. I don't think they have the assets, but I'd be calling the Wizards about Beal or Porter, the Mavs about Barnes, and the Clippers about Harris and Jordan.

The Spurs start McCullom-Murray-Green-Aldridge-Collins. They get younger. Pop could do wonders with a guy like Collins. The McCullom-Murray backcourt really compliments each other well.

I like the idea of that backcourt a lot.  Dejounte Murray is an elite defender by almost every metric.  The issue with San Antonio is that they can't score against good teams.  I wouldn't rule out your proposed deal as one of the best offers the Spurs could receive.  The only thing that might change this is if Kawhi gave a list of teams he was interested in going to.

I would have faith in Pop's ability to make McCollum a satisfactory defender.

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 10:54:39 AM »

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Agree. Don't like the fit of McCollum next to Lillard.

Somehow moving him for Leonard would be pretty awesome. I like McCollum next to Murray - quite a long back-court. And Kawhi next to Dame is deadly

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2018, 11:13:37 AM »

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What about a trade package centered around Kawhi Leonard and CJ McCullom?

Spurs Receive: McCullom, Collins, Blazers 2018 1st
Blazers Receive: Leonard

I realize the salaries don't work, but some creative moves in the off-season would likely make it work.

The Blazers start Lillard-Turner-Leonard-Aminu-Nurkic. I still think they need to make another move to get a 3rd guy, but that is a really good duo to start with. I really like the Aminu-Leonard front court. I don't like Nurkic that much. I also don't like starting Turner. I don't think they have the assets, but I'd be calling the Wizards about Beal or Porter, the Mavs about Barnes, and the Clippers about Harris and Jordan. Perhaps the Blazers could facilitate 3-team trade with the Hornets and another team where they get Batum (drafted by the Blazers) in a salary dump.

The Spurs start McCullom-Murray-Green-Aldridge-Collins. They get younger. Pop could do wonders with a guy like Collins. The McCullom-Murray backcourt really compliments each other well.
I like this idea primarily because it would end the Leonard to Boston talk, which I think is a window shortening and sideways move.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 12:07:26 PM »

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What about a trade package centered around Kawhi Leonard and CJ McCullom?

Spurs Receive: McCullom, Collins, Blazers 2018 1st
Blazers Receive: Leonard

I realize the salaries don't work, but some creative moves in the off-season would likely make it work.

The Blazers start Lillard-Turner-Leonard-Aminu-Nurkic. I still think they need to make another move to get a 3rd guy, but that is a really good duo to start with. I really like the Aminu-Leonard front court. I don't like Nurkic that much. I also don't like starting Turner. I don't think they have the assets, but I'd be calling the Wizards about Beal or Porter, the Mavs about Barnes, and the Clippers about Harris and Jordan. Perhaps the Blazers could facilitate 3-team trade with the Hornets and another team where they get Batum (drafted by the Blazers) in a salary dump.

The Spurs start McCullom-Murray-Green-Aldridge-Collins. They get younger. Pop could do wonders with a guy like Collins. The McCullom-Murray backcourt really compliments each other well.
I like this idea primarily because it would end the Leonard to Boston talk, which I think is a window shortening and sideways move.
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Leonard would arguably shorten the window, but he would make it a door and not a window.

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 12:31:48 PM »

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I agree that they've peaked, but I'm not sure how they can get better.

The Wizards are in a very similar position.

Realistically I think the Blazers would be better if they had a more efficient interior presence and they exchanged McCollum for a scoring wing with size.

Imagine if the Blazers had Paul George instead of CJ and Steven Adams instead of Nurkic.


But how could they obtain players like that?  Trading CJ will probably only get them some role players or a pick or two.  It would likely mean taking a step back for a couple years.  By the time they get back to where they are now, Dame might be mostly through his prime and/or close to hitting free agency.


Kawhi Leonard is an interesting idea, but I don't think the Blazers have the pieces to compete with Philadelphia, LA, or Boston.  Unless SA really likes McCollum.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 12:49:57 PM »

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I agree that they've peaked, but I'm not sure how they can get better.

The Wizards are in a very similar position.

Realistically I think the Blazers would be better if they had a more efficient interior presence and they exchanged McCollum for a scoring wing with size.

Imagine if the Blazers had Paul George instead of CJ and Steven Adams instead of Nurkic.


But how could they obtain players like that?  Trading CJ will probably only get them some role players or a pick or two.  It would likely mean taking a step back for a couple years.  By the time they get back to where they are now, Dame might be mostly through his prime and/or close to hitting free agency.


Kawhi Leonard is an interesting idea, but I don't think the Blazers have the pieces to compete with Philadelphia, LA, or Boston.  Unless SA really likes McCollum.
I really think they need the salary relief as much as anything, though Washington would be an interesting idea.  Would a Beal for McCollum swap make any sort of sense?  They are similar players, but perhaps the change of scenario for both would do both well.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 01:18:43 PM »

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The Wizards are gonna get blown up one way or another.

Gortat is gone anyway -- he is a dinosaur in the modern NBA.

But the front office needs to choose between Beal/Porter or Wall. Its obvious that there is friction there and that their play styles don't compliment each other well.

I could see the Cavs offering Clarkson/Thompson/Nets pick for Wall to try to convince Lebron to stay. It makes sense for both sides, but the Wizards need a bit more.

Any way you look at it, I don't think the McCullom for Beal makes sense for either side. McCullom needs to be able to run his own offense more, and so does Beal. Both Lillard and Wall need backcourt mates who are 3/D players and content without the ball in their hands.

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2018, 01:24:46 PM »

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How about the Milwaukee Bucks

Something like McCollum and Meyers Leonard FOR Bledsoe, Wilson, Henson + Pick(s)

I think it makes sense for both sides. Giannis gets paired with another legit star in McCollum while the Blazers could get rid of Bledsoe in a year since he's essentially an expiring at $15M.

I had to add Henson and Leonard into the deal since salaries just don't work if you want only McCollum (since I highly doubt POR wants to take back a Delly or Snell in addition to Bledsoe + pick(s), and others make less that wouldn't match salaries unless they also threw in Maker or Brogdon).

Essentially, MIL has a "Big 3" of McCollum/Middleton/Giannis and a pretty solid team behind that (Brogdon, Maker, etc.) so long as they draft and sign the right guys afterwards.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2018, 02:00:23 PM »

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How about the Milwaukee Bucks

Something like McCollum and Meyers Leonard FOR Bledsoe, Wilson, Henson + Pick(s)


I don't see the point of that for the Blazers at all.  Just getting cap space and some lesser picks should not be enough for them to trade CJ.
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I agree that they've peaked, but I'm not sure how they can get better.

The Wizards are in a very similar position.

Realistically I think the Blazers would be better if they had a more efficient interior presence and they exchanged McCollum for a scoring wing with size.

Imagine if the Blazers had Paul George instead of CJ and Steven Adams instead of Nurkic.


But how could they obtain players like that?  Trading CJ will probably only get them some role players or a pick or two.  It would likely mean taking a step back for a couple years.  By the time they get back to where they are now, Dame might be mostly through his prime and/or close to hitting free agency.


Kawhi Leonard is an interesting idea, but I don't think the Blazers have the pieces to compete with Philadelphia, LA, or Boston.  Unless SA really likes McCollum.
I really think they need the salary relief as much as anything, though Washington would be an interesting idea.  Would a Beal for McCollum swap make any sort of sense?  They are similar players, but perhaps the change of scenario for both would do both well.


When you've got a small market team and a star who wants very much to contend and won't be satisfied with backward moves, I don't think you can afford to make moves just to create salary cap relief unless doing so will allow you to continue to compete at the same or higher level.

That's obviously an incredibly difficult needle to thread, but I just don't see how Portland can afford to use CJ to dump salary (e.g. Leonard, Turner, Harkless, or whoever) and likely take a step back for a year or two.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2018, 02:13:20 PM »

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I definitely think Portland has peaked. They are a good not great team with one great player, and have been hovering in Western Conference as a 40-50 win team for 5 years now. They are ridiculously capped out and have little cgance of getting good enough to get to the Finals for years to come.

They don't need to just trade McCollum. They need a full blown blow up and start over otherwise they are going to be stuck in NBA purgatory for another half decade.