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Re: Sam Hinkie was a genius. He's 100% right now.
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2018, 10:31:03 PM »

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Not convinced they needed to be so, so bad as to not even have hardly any veterans at all during some of  those years. Makes everything harder for anyone to learn when everyone is screwing up at once. And maybe they could have still lost in a more respectable way.

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« Reply #136 on: April 17, 2018, 12:46:47 AM »

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Not convinced they needed to be so, so bad as to not even have hardly any veterans at all during some of  those years. Makes everything harder for anyone to learn when everyone is screwing up at once. And maybe they could have still lost in a more respectable way.

This.

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« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2018, 12:52:01 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
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Embid
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Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh

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« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2018, 01:39:35 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

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Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
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« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2018, 01:44:45 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
Covington
Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
Ainge would've then flipped #3 (Ball or Fultz) to Phoenix for (#4) Josh Jackson and their #1 from this year (unprotected)!   ;)

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« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2018, 03:46:40 AM »

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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...
"In Danny we trust" is so 2016.

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« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2018, 04:22:58 AM »

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I always thought that he was great at his job.
Colangelo supplanted him, but IMO he is less lucid and creative official, he is not bending the rules to the limit as SH did. Some liked that rule bending, some despised it (NBA). Colangelo (his father is a part of the NBA family) just kind of goes with the natural flow. His best moves are the natural continuation of Hinkies work (2013-2016). Embiid (resign the All NBA guy), Simmons (draft a clear 1st pick), Covington (resign), Šarić (still on that fab rookie deal), TJ (as Ro.Co. he signed a 4 year "Hinkie special" and is still there) all of their best core players were here before him. He hired Brown too. They can even draft 1st this year (while having 50 wins) since Hinkie sold MCW at a ridiculously high price. MCW might be out of the league next year and he is healthy.

If I am a rebuilding team, there are at least 8 of those right now, I would call him.
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« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2018, 08:54:25 AM »

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Didn't Hinkie lose a ton of games, as well as drafting Nerlens Noel, MCW, and Jahlil Okafor?

What a genius.

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« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2018, 08:55:32 AM »

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I always thought that he was great at his job.
Colangelo supplanted him, but IMO he is less lucid and creative official, he is not bending the rules to the limit as SH did. Some liked that rule bending, some despised it (NBA). Colangelo (his father is a part of the NBA family) just kind of goes with the natural flow. His best moves are the natural continuation of Hinkies work (2013-2016). Embiid (resign the All NBA guy), Simmons (draft a clear 1st pick), Covington (resign), Šarić (still on that fab rookie deal), TJ (as Ro.Co. he signed a 4 year "Hinkie special" and is still there) all of their best core players were here before him. He hired Brown too. They can even draft 1st this year (while having 50 wins) since Hinkie sold MCW at a ridiculously high price. MCW might be out of the league next year and he is healthy.

If I am a rebuilding team, there are at least 8 of those right now, I would call him.

Did he?

It's not that hard to purposely lose. You sit or trade your best players and pick best available. They didn't make large decisions in the drafts. Simmons fell info their lap and even if Embiid wasn't able to play that fits into their strategy. The rest of their picks were trash.

Regarding MCW you can believe that Hinkle had the foresight but in reality he was most likely deferring the pick for tanking purposes. It turns out at the end of the day he will  have sold the 11 pick for 10 most likely. Not exactly Ainge level moves.

I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
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Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh

Well Tatum also fits their team better. Why draft Fultz when Simmons is your point? They have no legit SF (sorry Covington is massively overrated).

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« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2018, 09:17:33 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
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Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him. 

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« Reply #145 on: April 17, 2018, 09:29:19 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
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Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him.
except Colangelo had no reason to tell Ainge who he would draft and almost certainly did not. 

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« Reply #146 on: April 17, 2018, 09:36:19 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
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Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him.
except Colangelo had no reason to tell Ainge who he would draft and almost certainly did not.

if this is true, would this have to be in writing somehow? like, we will deal #1 for your #3 as long as Philly HAVE to take Fultz with the #1 and hope LA takes Ball at 2?

I feel deals like this usually have to have some sort of agreement between the two parties right?

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« Reply #147 on: April 17, 2018, 09:40:43 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
Covington
Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him.
except Colangelo had no reason to tell Ainge who he would draft and almost certainly did not.

if this is true, would this have to be in writing somehow? like, we will deal #1 for your #3 as long as Philly HAVE to take Fultz with the #1 and hope LA takes Ball at 2?

I feel deals like this usually have to have some sort of agreement between the two parties right?
Not at all.  There is absolutely no reason for Philly to tell Boston who they are going to draft.  None at all.  Now I'm sure Ainge felt pretty confident that Philly was going to take Fultz, but there is no way Colangelo would tell Ainge that. 

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« Reply #148 on: April 17, 2018, 09:44:11 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
Covington
Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him.
except Colangelo had no reason to tell Ainge who he would draft and almost certainly did not.
Sure he did.  Colangelo wanted to get the deal done.  Ainge wouldn't have traded down a couple spots unless he knew Tatum would still be available.   Remember the rushed Sixers workout of Fultz. 

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« Reply #149 on: April 17, 2018, 09:48:47 AM »

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I mean imagine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Simmons
Covington
Taytum
Saric
Embid
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Redick


Plus they would still get upcoming picks smdh
That would have been really sly of them, if they pretended like they wanted Fultz only to draft Tatum #1. We probably would have thought we killed that trade at the time, only to be regretting it now.
That would never happen.  Ainge wanted Tatum and would never have agreed to the deal if Colangelo wasn't committed to taking Fultz.  If Colangelo had lied about it, he'd be done as a GM.  No one would trust him.
except Colangelo had no reason to tell Ainge who he would draft and almost certainly did not.
Sure he did.  Colangelo wanted to get the deal done.  Ainge wouldn't have traded down a couple spots unless he knew Tatum would still be available.   Remember the rushed Sixers workout of Fultz.

I agree. I don't think it was a big risk for Colangelo to tell Danny that they wanted Fultz, considering IT just came off a huge year. At that time, many GMs would have been right to assume that IT would be with the Celtics for the foreseeable future. Tatum was certainly more of a need than Fultz for the Celtics.

Interestingly now, Tatum would be a better fit for Philly, unless Fultz becomes a Klay Thompson type shooter that doesn't need the ball in his hands. I'm guessing Ben Simmons is their PG for the future.