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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #135 on: May 02, 2018, 04:40:20 PM »

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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #136 on: May 02, 2018, 04:41:40 PM »

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Guys, Boston ISN'T even on Kawhi's preferred Trade List.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/01/kawhi-leonard-could-end-up-with-lakers-76ers-knicks-or-clippers-gregg-popovich-retiring/

It's Lakers, Clippers, Knicks or Sixers. *Maybe* even Miami according to one report I saw.

He wants a big market. All of them except maybe PHI are bigger markets than Boston I think. Either way, it doesn't look like BOS is on his trade list according to reports.

Was Boston on Kyrie’s supposed list? I forget who but someone let it slip in an interview that he wanted to play for Stevens or something like that, but otherwise I don’t recall Boston as a preferred destination.

Regardless, who really cares? If he needs to be traded, Spurs will not take nickels on the dollar just to send him to a team he wants. I can’t see him being unhappy coming to Boston or making outrageous demands to force his way somewhere specific. Nobody has ever questioned his attitude until all of this and I’m sure there is more here than we know about.

I wouldn’t consider a team like the Clippers (or Nets) big market when they will always be second-fiddle to the real team in their city. Is Miami really a bigger market than Boston? We know who has the better crowd lol.

If I was the Knicks, I would make a real run at him if they could. Not sure what they can dangle without KP included but they should make the call and see.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #137 on: May 02, 2018, 04:46:00 PM »

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It feels like Roy is the only guy who truly wants Leonard here (when you read most of the posts under this thread)  :laugh:

Don’t worry, if the trade goes down 90% of the blog will be on board with it within 24 hours. Fan loyalty tends to last almost exactly as long as management decides to keep a player on a roster.

So true.

Remind me, what grade did you give the Kyrie Trade? 😏

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« Reply #138 on: May 02, 2018, 04:46:28 PM »

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Guys, Boston ISN'T even on Kawhi's preferred Trade List.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/01/kawhi-leonard-could-end-up-with-lakers-76ers-knicks-or-clippers-gregg-popovich-retiring/

It's Lakers, Clippers, Knicks or Sixers. *Maybe* even Miami according to one report I saw.

He wants a big market. All of them except maybe PHI are bigger markets than Boston I think. Either way, it doesn't look like BOS is on his trade list according to reports.

Was Boston on Kyrie’s supposed list? I forget who but someone let it slip in an interview that he wanted to play for Stevens or something like that, but otherwise I don’t recall Boston as a preferred destination.

Regardless, who really cares? If he needs to be traded, Spurs will not take nickels on the dollar just to send him to a team he wants. I can’t see him being unhappy coming to Boston or making outrageous demands to force his way somewhere specific. Nobody has ever questioned his attitude until all of this and I’m sure there is more here than we know about.

I wouldn’t consider a team like the Clippers (or Nets) big market when they will always be second-fiddle to the real team in their city. Is Miami really a bigger market than Boston? We know who has the better crowd lol.

If I was the Knicks, I would make a real run at him if they could. Not sure what they can dangle without KP included but they should make the call and see.

I don't think it is either.  I think it will be either the Lakers or the Knicks

Celtics as the darkhorse.  But I don't think Danny wants to be involved with this mess

Danny cut off Josh Jackson bc of BJ Armstrong trickery.... he doesn't care for that

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #139 on: May 02, 2018, 04:47:11 PM »

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I'd rather roll with a healthy Kyrie, GH, JB and see how the rest of this core of ours plays out - especially next season.

Love Kawhi but imagine a fully healthy Celtics team RIGHT NOW........

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #140 on: May 02, 2018, 04:47:53 PM »

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Guys, Boston ISN'T even on Kawhi's preferred Trade List.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/01/kawhi-leonard-could-end-up-with-lakers-76ers-knicks-or-clippers-gregg-popovich-retiring/

It's Lakers, Clippers, Knicks or Sixers. *Maybe* even Miami according to one report I saw.

He wants a big market. All of them except maybe PHI are bigger markets than Boston I think. Either way, it doesn't look like BOS is on his trade list according to reports.

Was Boston on Kyrie’s supposed list? I forget who but someone let it slip in an interview that he wanted to play for Stevens or something like that, but otherwise I don’t recall Boston as a preferred destination.

Regardless, who really cares? If he needs to be traded, Spurs will not take nickels on the dollar just to send him to a team he wants. I can’t see him being unhappy coming to Boston or making outrageous demands to force his way somewhere specific. Nobody has ever questioned his attitude until all of this and I’m sure there is more here than we know about.

I wouldn’t consider a team like the Clippers (or Nets) big market when they will always be second-fiddle to the real team in their city. Is Miami really a bigger market than Boston? We know who has the better crowd lol.

If I was the Knicks, I would make a real run at him if they could. Not sure what they can dangle without KP included but they should make the call and see.

I think David Griffin (former Cavaliers GM, who had also been fired recently at the time) went on The Jump early August and said Kyrie had Boston on his list.

Ultimately, no one knew about that until about 2 weeks AFTER we heard the first few reports that Kyrie wanted OUT of Cleveland.

Maybe we hear in the coming days that Boston is included.

That said, I think other teams can make better offers and ultimately I'm fine with that. We are a championship team already (when healthy of course) and I'd rather keep Jaylen AND Tatum. Plus, let a team like LAL give up Ingram + Kuzma for him, or another team overpay slightly.

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Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #141 on: May 02, 2018, 05:06:21 PM »

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Guys, Boston ISN'T even on Kawhi's preferred Trade List.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/01/kawhi-leonard-could-end-up-with-lakers-76ers-knicks-or-clippers-gregg-popovich-retiring/

It's Lakers, Clippers, Knicks or Sixers. *Maybe* even Miami according to one report I saw.

He wants a big market. All of them except maybe PHI are bigger markets than Boston I think. Either way, it doesn't look like BOS is on his trade list according to reports.

That sounds like speculation.

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #142 on: May 02, 2018, 05:35:04 PM »

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Leonard should listen to how his body feels 1st

then teams medical team. 

If the medical/trainning staff is not helping/improving his condition....then seek outside opinion with sign off from the team

doesnt seem like this is what happened and the Spurs staff didnt get a proper chance to help him heal. Then he just did his own thing 


Imo Leonard is a goner this off season.  Because I bet you, if he was a UFA , he would not be doing this

No team would sign him, if their doctors weren't allow to assess his situation and be able to help get him better
Exactly why does he need to get a sign off from the team? So if they say no, the player has to abide by what the team medical staff says, even if they are wrong and could be doing more harm than good? No one, player or regular person should ever have to get a sign off from their employer to seek medical care.

And, the Spurs medical staff had been working on this problem since the end of the 2016-17 season and through the summer. Things weren't getting better or moving forward at all. So Kawhi 2nd opinions were sought. It sounds like the Spurs worked with an outside physician for a while. So for months and months and months, Kawhi did what the Spurs said and nothing was happening. How long is he supposed to continue doing what the team medical staff is telling him what to do if it isn't having a positive effect at all. It was at that point that he went to New York fir another opinion and then the Spurs seemed to get angry.

eh?

Let me put it to you this way

What is the point of passing a physical then?   Or a team wanting to check a player who just came off an injury before they dole out a big contract to sign them?

Why can't the player and agent just say, "don't worry about it,  our guys got checked it out, its all good"

If a player is injured,  the protocol is to see the team medical staff.  Then to get an assessment and "fix" the issue. So that the player can get back on the court healthy

In this situation it sounds like the Spurs medical staff gave their assessment, and wanted to help Leonard rehab/keep track of his progression or road bumps to ultimately have him comeback 100 percent

Instead, sounds like Leonard and his crew (at some point of the assessment) didn't like or was unsure about the Spurs medical staff assessment and went somewhere else and got a different answer.

If this is not undermining the teams medical staff, what is??   The team who is paying you millions of dollars should be in the front of the line to understand what is going on with your injury/health issues.   The Spurs organization at the moment from what it sounds like,  are in the dark with this 2nd opinion.     

Does this sit right with you??
Abso-freaking-lutely. Just because an athlete signs a contract to play for a team, it doesn't force them to only use the team's medical staff. They have every right to use their own medical people too, including trainers, dieticians, and doctors.

The team diagnosed Kawhi and went with a certain therapy. It wasn't working, Kawhi's agent and family asked for the team to get a second opinion. They did and things still weren't right.

So he got a third opinion away from the team and decided to follow that doctor's care. The Spurs medical staff were only left out of the care of Kawhi after taking care of him for possibly as long as a year without things being corrected.

Every person, athlete or not, have an absolute right to seek other opinions when it comes to healthcare if they feel their current medical team isn't helping or possibly has the wrong diagnosis.

Here it looks like the Spurs medical staff may have had the wrong diagnosis. Kawhi may have possibly saved his career by going elsewhere for help. My guess is if he had to do it all over again Isaiah Thomas may not have listened to the Cs doctors, got a 2nd opinion and had surgery a long, long time ago. It may have saved him tens of millions of dollars if he had.

Re: Kawhi Leonard Moving To Boston Celtics? Dwyane Wade Thinks So
« Reply #143 on: May 02, 2018, 06:09:09 PM »

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Agreed with nick. Millions of people are forced into making less than ideal medical decisions due to finances.  NBA players are fortunate to be able to consult with the best medical specialists in the world.  Why on Earth wouldn’t they?

This fan base in particular should appreciate that team physicians aren’t always right.  If IT’s “groin strain” in December had been properly diagnosed, or if IT had sought a second opinion, his future might look drastically different.


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« Reply #144 on: May 02, 2018, 06:13:13 PM »

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Agreed with nick. Millions of people are forced into making less than ideal medical decisions due to finances.  NBA players are fortunate to be able to consult with the best medical specialists in the world.  Why on Earth wouldn’t they?

This fan base in particular should appreciate that team physicians aren’t always right.  If IT’s “groin strain” in December had been properly diagnosed, or if IT had sought a second opinion, his future might look drastically different.

I'm 50/50 on all of these since both have a stake in it.  The team is making a HUGE investment on a product (player) with GUARANTEED money (and cap space they restrict). There has to be a happy medium somewhere along the lines.

Now I don't know what goes into the contracts and what control (or lack of) a team/player has on medical decisions, but the right answer usually is found somewhere in the middle.

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« Reply #145 on: May 02, 2018, 06:17:51 PM »

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This does not sound like a Kyrie situation.

Probably hurt IMO and more power to him for taking control of his own health. IT’s situation is a huge warning about the Brinks truck at stake

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« Reply #146 on: May 02, 2018, 06:40:28 PM »

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Leonard should listen to how his body feels 1st

then teams medical team. 

If the medical/trainning staff is not helping/improving his condition....then seek outside opinion with sign off from the team

doesnt seem like this is what happened and the Spurs staff didnt get a proper chance to help him heal. Then he just did his own thing 


Imo Leonard is a goner this off season.  Because I bet you, if he was a UFA , he would not be doing this

No team would sign him, if their doctors weren't allow to assess his situation and be able to help get him better
Exactly why does he need to get a sign off from the team? So if they say no, the player has to abide by what the team medical staff says, even if they are wrong and could be doing more harm than good? No one, player or regular person should ever have to get a sign off from their employer to seek medical care.

And, the Spurs medical staff had been working on this problem since the end of the 2016-17 season and through the summer. Things weren't getting better or moving forward at all. So Kawhi 2nd opinions were sought. It sounds like the Spurs worked with an outside physician for a while. So for months and months and months, Kawhi did what the Spurs said and nothing was happening. How long is he supposed to continue doing what the team medical staff is telling him what to do if it isn't having a positive effect at all. It was at that point that he went to New York fir another opinion and then the Spurs seemed to get angry.

eh?

Let me put it to you this way

What is the point of passing a physical then?   Or a team wanting to check a player who just came off an injury before they dole out a big contract to sign them?

Why can't the player and agent just say, "don't worry about it,  our guys got checked it out, its all good"

If a player is injured,  the protocol is to see the team medical staff.  Then to get an assessment and "fix" the issue. So that the player can get back on the court healthy

In this situation it sounds like the Spurs medical staff gave their assessment, and wanted to help Leonard rehab/keep track of his progression or road bumps to ultimately have him comeback 100 percent

Instead, sounds like Leonard and his crew (at some point of the assessment) didn't like or was unsure about the Spurs medical staff assessment and went somewhere else and got a different answer.

If this is not undermining the teams medical staff, what is??   The team who is paying you millions of dollars should be in the front of the line to understand what is going on with your injury/health issues.   The Spurs organization at the moment from what it sounds like,  are in the dark with this 2nd opinion.     

Does this sit right with you??
Abso-freaking-lutely. Just because an athlete signs a contract to play for a team, it doesn't force them to only use the team's medical staff. They have every right to use their own medical people too, including trainers, dieticians, and doctors.

The team diagnosed Kawhi and went with a certain therapy. It wasn't working, Kawhi's agent and family asked for the team to get a second opinion. They did and things still weren't right.

So he got a third opinion away from the team and decided to follow that doctor's care. The Spurs medical staff were only left out of the care of Kawhi after taking care of him for possibly as long as a year without things being corrected.

Every person, athlete or not, have an absolute right to seek other opinions when it comes to healthcare if they feel their current medical team isn't helping or possibly has the wrong diagnosis.

Here it looks like the Spurs medical staff may have had the wrong diagnosis. Kawhi may have possibly saved his career by going elsewhere for help. My guess is if he had to do it all over again Isaiah Thomas may not have listened to the Cs doctors, got a 2nd opinion and had surgery a long, long time ago. It may have saved him tens of millions of dollars if he had.

you are guessing. Nobody knows for sure

What we do know is that the Spurs are in the dark.  That is not right

Leonard and his crew keeps this up...  Lets see who will be eager to give up assets for him or dole out big money

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« Reply #147 on: May 02, 2018, 07:18:06 PM »

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Leonard should listen to how his body feels 1st

then teams medical team. 

If the medical/trainning staff is not helping/improving his condition....then seek outside opinion with sign off from the team

doesnt seem like this is what happened and the Spurs staff didnt get a proper chance to help him heal. Then he just did his own thing 


Imo Leonard is a goner this off season.  Because I bet you, if he was a UFA , he would not be doing this

No team would sign him, if their doctors weren't allow to assess his situation and be able to help get him better
Exactly why does he need to get a sign off from the team? So if they say no, the player has to abide by what the team medical staff says, even if they are wrong and could be doing more harm than good? No one, player or regular person should ever have to get a sign off from their employer to seek medical care.

And, the Spurs medical staff had been working on this problem since the end of the 2016-17 season and through the summer. Things weren't getting better or moving forward at all. So Kawhi 2nd opinions were sought. It sounds like the Spurs worked with an outside physician for a while. So for months and months and months, Kawhi did what the Spurs said and nothing was happening. How long is he supposed to continue doing what the team medical staff is telling him what to do if it isn't having a positive effect at all. It was at that point that he went to New York fir another opinion and then the Spurs seemed to get angry.

eh?

Let me put it to you this way

What is the point of passing a physical then?   Or a team wanting to check a player who just came off an injury before they dole out a big contract to sign them?

Why can't the player and agent just say, "don't worry about it,  our guys got checked it out, its all good"

If a player is injured,  the protocol is to see the team medical staff.  Then to get an assessment and "fix" the issue. So that the player can get back on the court healthy

In this situation it sounds like the Spurs medical staff gave their assessment, and wanted to help Leonard rehab/keep track of his progression or road bumps to ultimately have him comeback 100 percent

Instead, sounds like Leonard and his crew (at some point of the assessment) didn't like or was unsure about the Spurs medical staff assessment and went somewhere else and got a different answer.

If this is not undermining the teams medical staff, what is??   The team who is paying you millions of dollars should be in the front of the line to understand what is going on with your injury/health issues.   The Spurs organization at the moment from what it sounds like,  are in the dark with this 2nd opinion.     

Does this sit right with you??
Abso-freaking-lutely. Just because an athlete signs a contract to play for a team, it doesn't force them to only use the team's medical staff. They have every right to use their own medical people too, including trainers, dieticians, and doctors.

The team diagnosed Kawhi and went with a certain therapy. It wasn't working, Kawhi's agent and family asked for the team to get a second opinion. They did and things still weren't right.

So he got a third opinion away from the team and decided to follow that doctor's care. The Spurs medical staff were only left out of the care of Kawhi after taking care of him for possibly as long as a year without things being corrected.

Every person, athlete or not, have an absolute right to seek other opinions when it comes to healthcare if they feel their current medical team isn't helping or possibly has the wrong diagnosis.

Here it looks like the Spurs medical staff may have had the wrong diagnosis. Kawhi may have possibly saved his career by going elsewhere for help. My guess is if he had to do it all over again Isaiah Thomas may not have listened to the Cs doctors, got a 2nd opinion and had surgery a long, long time ago. It may have saved him tens of millions of dollars if he had.

you are guessing. Nobody knows for sure

What we do know is that the Spurs are in the dark.  That is not right

Leonard and his crew keeps this up...  Lets see who will be eager to give up assets for him or dole out big money
From the article:

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Frankel and Robertson arranged the consultation, according to multiple sources, and the Spurs were informed of the decision and the doctor's recommendations. From this point forward, Glashow and his team have guided the rehabilitation program, sources said. The Spurs have had staffers in New York to observe and assist in Leonard's work, which has primarily taken place at the NBA Players Association headquarters in midtown Manhattan.

The Spurs officials are observing and assisting in Kawhi's treatment. The Spurs are not in the dark. They know what their medical staff diagnosed and I am sure based on the fact they have staff helping in Kawhi's treatment that they know what the non-Spurs medical people have diagnosed. So I think its a pretty well informed guess that Kawhi believes the Spurs diagnosis was wrong and that he is now with doctors that have the right diagnosis.

If Kawhi gets back to 100%, any team will want Kawhi pn their team and will pay to get him and pay to keep him. At 100%, he is that good.

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« Reply #148 on: May 02, 2018, 07:37:03 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

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« Reply #149 on: May 02, 2018, 08:22:14 PM »

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Assuming Kawhi is healthy, and Philly tries to get him and then sign Paul George with their cap space. Should we offer something like Hayward + Sac pick + whatever else is necessary (outside Tatum and Brown) for him? Or maybe Kyrie + Sac pick, and play Rozier as a starter?

Because a lineup of Simmons, George, Kawhi, Embiid + some vet is super scary...

And I love Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum and Brown, so I have no idea what to think.

What is Philadelphia sending out to get back Kawhi and make salaries match? I don’t honk the collection of odds and ends on the Philly roster outside Simmons and Embiid can get that done.