What to do w/ Rozier in offseason. Trade for an asset? Or keep for a title run?

[Androslav]

We use him to gain leverage while we negotiate Smarts new deal.
Then next year we "split" Smarts best skills (playmaking and defensive versatity) among the more developed Semi, enough to have a better shooting defensive specialist on a team and T-Roz who will be the playmaker on the 2nd unit.

We keep them all coming into the year.
MS would become the expendable player on a market-friendly deal. Giving us $ to make the next big deal possible.

In the summer of 2019, we can decide what to do with T-Roz. There is no pressure to do anything now.

BTW, since TR put III on his jersey, his trey is at .400
Nomen est omen.

[Big333223]

I’m basically on the same page as Nick. Ride the last year of Rozier’s rookie contract - he definitely helps your chance at a title. If you win, you can figure out what to do for the following years.

I only think twice if somebody wants him as part of a package that could bring back a young big that Danny and Brad like as Al’s future replacement. (And no, I don’t know who makes that offer, which is why I see him staying.)

Yeah.

Let's not forget that the point of all of this is to win championships. With relative health, I think next season's roster should be the best in the East and have a shot at the title. Rozier fortifying the bench is part of that. If a deal comes along where the C's can get great value for him, ok, but until that materializing let's see how good this team can do and let restricted free agency play itself out.

[wdleehi]

See what teams offer for him.   If there is a sweetheart deal, take it.  If there is a deal that punches open the Celtics window wider or longer, take it.


If it is a deal for a mid to late draft pick, pass.   

[mef730]

I think we keep him. He's clearly talented, but we're just not sure how talented, making him the kind of guy where the bid-ask spread between what we want for him and what other teams are willing to offer is going to be too wide for DA to palate.

Mike

[tonydelk]

I think we keep him. He's clearly talented, but we're just not sure how talented, making him the kind of guy where the bid-ask spread between what we want for him and what other teams are willing to offer is going to be too wide for DA to palate.

Mike

As much as we'd like to keep him TR want's to start.  A possible scenario is that he does not sign an offer sheet and plays under the qualifying offer so he goes in to 2020 able to choose his destiny.  I'm sure he knows if he signs a big deal and the C's match he is stuck as a bench player for 4 more years.  If he plays under the qualifying offer I believe he will definitely be traded and the return will not be as much as if he was traded this off season.

[LilRip]

I’d trade him as one of the main centerpieces of a big trade. Rozier + Horford + non-SAC pick + filler for Anthony Davis.

We trot out a line up of Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis.

[Tr1boy]

I’d trade him as one of the main centerpieces of a big trade. Rozier + Horford + non-SAC pick + filler for Anthony Davis.

We trot out a line up of Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis.

is this NBA2k trade machine?

you can't get davis without giving up Tatum or Brown or both

[kozlodoev]

I’d trade him as one of the main centerpieces of a big trade. Rozier + Horford + non-SAC pick + filler for Anthony Davis.

We trot out a line up of Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis.

is this NBA2k trade machine?

you can't get davis without giving up Tatum or Brown or both

Just remember what you gave up for Garnett. We're looking at  something along the lines of Tatum/Brown + Rozier + Smart + Theis + a high pick. Except the numbers don't work that way, so it's probably a no-go.

[MikeJelly]

Jalen Rose saying the C's might include Tito in a trade for Kawhi.

He said Horford, Tito and Smart (plus picks I'd assume) for Kawhi.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I feel like we'd honestly have too many wings and not enough bigs.

I thought this was valid in this thread.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I’d trade him as one of the main centerpieces of a big trade. Rozier + Horford + non-SAC pick + filler for Anthony Davis.

We trot out a line up of Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis.

is this NBA2k trade machine?

you can't get davis without giving up Tatum or Brown or both

I don't think you can either, but its just because we have the assets, not because its not a fair package.

Think about it:
Dunn + Lavine + Markannen for Butler. No all-stars, but a few solid pieces.
Oladipo + Sabonis for George. Anyone think that Oladipo had more upside last year than Rozier does this year?
Hield, Evans (expiring), Galloway, a 1st, (mid-round) and a 2nd for Cousins. No all-stars.
Bradley (expiring), Harris, Boban, and a 1st (mid-round) for Griffin. No all-stars, but a few solid starters.

In a neutral market, a team might be happy to get Rozier, Yabu, contract filler, and the Kings pick.

Unfortunately, teams get rightfully greedy when they see Brown and Tatum on our roster, trying to pry one of them away. If all we had was Rozier and Yabu, we might be able to make it happen, but it's unlikely with how stocked our roster is.

[wdleehi]

Jalen Rose saying the C's might include Tito in a trade for Kawhi.

He said Horford, Tito and Smart (plus picks I'd assume) for Kawhi.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I feel like we'd honestly have too many wings and not enough bigs.

I thought this was valid in this thread.

Hate it.   That would be four swingmen that need 30+ minutes and no star level big men. 

[footey]

Jalen Rose saying the C's might include Tito in a trade for Kawhi.

He said Horford, Tito and Smart (plus picks I'd assume) for Kawhi.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I feel like we'd honestly have too many wings and not enough bigs.

I thought this was valid in this thread.

Rose has no clue.

[Tr1boy]

I’d trade him as one of the main centerpieces of a big trade. Rozier + Horford + non-SAC pick + filler for Anthony Davis.

We trot out a line up of Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis.

is this NBA2k trade machine?

you can't get davis without giving up Tatum or Brown or both

I don't think you can either, but its just because we have the assets, not because its not a fair package.

Think about it:
Dunn + Lavine + Markannen for Butler. No all-stars, but a few solid pieces.
Oladipo + Sabonis for George. Anyone think that Oladipo had more upside last year than Rozier does this year?
Hield, Evans (expiring), Galloway, a 1st, (mid-round) and a 2nd for Cousins. No all-stars.
Bradley (expiring), Harris, Boban, and a 1st (mid-round) for Griffin. No all-stars, but a few solid starters.

In a neutral market, a team might be happy to get Rozier, Yabu, contract filler, and the Kings pick.

Unfortunately, teams get rightfully greedy when they see Brown and Tatum on our roster, trying to pry one of them away. If all we had was Rozier and Yabu, we might be able to make it happen, but it's unlikely with how stocked our roster is.

the difference is Davis is signed for another couple of seasons vs PG13 + Rozier is a RFA soon.

Bad mix

The best thing the Celts can do is try to hold both Smart and Rozier somehow for next season and try to make a serious run for the championship

[Tr1boy]

Celtics team salary will be at around 107 million next season (this season at 115 million)

Trade Yabusele

And also its time for Wyc to pay some luxury tax so that this team has a shot to win a championship

I would sign Smart and Rozier to extensions (at least one for sure).  And when it comes time to extend Kyrie, you worry about making a "decision" then.  At least a signed Smart and/or Rozier is more valuable than RFA version contracts

[kozlodoev]

Dunn + Lavine + Markannen for Butler. No all-stars, but a few solid pieces.

Markannen is at least as good (and possibly even better) than Brown and Tatum. Whether you knew that at the time of the trade is an open question, but there's no denying it after the fact.

Also, Davis is a lot better than Butler.

Oladipo + Sabonis for George. Anyone think that Oladipo had more upside last year than Rozier does this year?

Just about everyone who paid attention. Oladipo was a 24-year-old former #2 overall pick on the tail end of three solid seasons. While no-one really expected him to turn into a do-it-all go-to guy, any comparison with Terry Three-Dash is laughable.

Moreover, George didn't exactly help his trade value by allowing those LA rumors to linger. Are we waiting for Davis to ask for a trade or something?

Hield, Evans (expiring), Galloway, a 1st, (mid-round) and a 2nd for Cousins. No all-stars.

No-one in the NBA really wants Cousins and his baggage. I'd bet you that a roll of the dice on 23yo Buddy Hield  coming off of a breakout season (where he was a bit more productive than Jaylen Brown, albeit in the Sacramento purgatory) was the best that they could get.
 

Bradley (expiring), Harris, Boban, and a 1st (mid-round) for Griffin. No all-stars, but a few solid starters.

Blake Griffin has averaged fewer than 60 games a season since 2014. This deal is probably pennies on the dollar if he stays healthy.... but it's a considerable if.

In a neutral market, a team might be happy to get Rozier, Yabu, contract filler, and the Kings pick.

This is not happening. It isn't happening now, and it probably wouldn't be happening even if Davis had declared his intent to walk in free agency (if he weren't locked up by 2021, that is...).